Deutsches Jungvolk knife - real or fantasy?

[Mac 66]

Anybody got a period photo of a DJ knife in wear???

[inimicus]

thanks a mint, fred-

re ss degen production, weren't these swords made well into the war period in stainless ('rostfrei') steel - presumably a strategic material; along with, of course, alu for airframes etc.?

or was it thought a few stainless models could be made3 or maybe just held at the dachau prod site 'just in case.'? dw

It was a very busy weekend with not much time to look at the various photos of the different knives. And things have not quite settled down as yet - but I can offer this brief observation. It was not just aluminum that was an issue. Relatively early in the war Reichsführer-SS und Chef der Deutschen Polizei Heinrich Himmler stated that his beloved SS Degens were no longer available (for distribution) because of steel allocation quotas. FP

[inimicus]

garry- thanks for the neat pix!

actually, I'm quite sure the kid 3rd from right, post 163, pushing the barrel is wearing a hj 'messer; all the others in your pix are facing the other way or their left sides are obscured so we cant tell.

still, if only one lad is in fact 'carrying' that raises its own Qs. of uniform regulations or consistency in the enforcement thereof. cheers,

dw

Anybody got a period photo of a DJ knife in wear???

[inimicus]

if this isn't the official knife what is it, please?

[Mac 66]

if this isn't the official knife what is it, please?

it could be anything you want it to be as its nothing but a blur,

saying that it looks like an "HJ knife", Not a "DJ Knife" as its larger & seems to have the hj insignia in the grip!

Well spotted laddie.

[inimicus]

definitely more the big'un than the lil'un, garry. I mean IF it's a knife as you say. have a hirez scan you can share? cheers,

d

it could be anything you want it to be as its nothing but a blur,

saying that it looks like an "HJ knife", Not a "DJ Knife" as its larger & seems to have the hj insignia in the grip!

Well spotted laddie.

[Mac 66]

definitely more the big'un than the lil'un, garry. I mean IF it's a knife as you say. have a hirez scan you can share? cheers,

d

BTW, I,m not garry

No higher res pix to show, all stolen from the web "google" to try & boost this thread back into life,

[inimicus]

Of course you're not - sorry mac ! Dw

btw, i,m not garry

No higher res pix to show, all stolen from the web "google" to try & boost this thread back into life,

[wilhelm Saris]

see: "Belt Buckle and Brocades of the Third Reich" by Angolia, page 259 lower photo, page 259. He is anyway DJ as he does wear the black field-cap as according 1933 regulations.
The dagger is the regular HJ version

[Frogprince]

................. re ss degen production, weren't these swords made well into the war period in stainless ('rostfrei') steel - presumably a strategic material; along with, of course, alu for airframes etc.? or was it thought a few stainless models could be made3 or maybe just held at the dachau prod site 'just in case.'? dw

David, While the rules could certainly be bent or broken for special orders (such as the Birthday swords) for the RFSS. What part of what the RFSS said about the ordinary swords was not clear?? BTW: Stainless steel alloys normally have not just nickel, but chromium etc. in varying degrees and I may have some period technical data on that aspect.

Now back to the topic at hand. FP

[inimicus]

thanks, william.

dw

see: "Belt Buckle and Brocades of the Third Reich" by Angolia, page 259 lower photo, page 259. He is anyway DJ as he does wear the black field-cap as according 1933 regulations.
The dagger is the regular HJ version

[inimicus]

thanks, fred. not being contentious; just trying to learn more, is all. dw

David, While the rules could certainly be bent or broken for special orders (such as the Birthday swords) for the RFSS. What part of what the RFSS said about the ordinary swords was not clear?? BTW: Stainless steel alloys normally have not just nickel, but chromium etc. in varying degrees and I may have some period technical data on that aspect.

Now back to the topic at hand. FP

[Mac 66]

So what i can gather from all the opinions these so called DJ knifes are nothing more than a common scout knife made for the masses at some point during the TR period, then some guy buys a load of these scout knifes post war & says hey i have a box of hj knife daimond insignias in the garage i think i,ll drill a hole in the scabbards & affix the hj insignias & sell them on as DJ knifes for mega bucks

What company made them again ?

[inimicus]

HAR!


some may recall near the start of this thread I proposed a poll - believers vs. non-believers. maybe this could broaden to include category #3 - the agnostics.

what say you, mr. mod?

dw

So what i can gather from all the opinions these so called DJ knifes are nothing more than a common scout knife made for the masses at some point during the TR period, then some guy buys a load of these scout knifes post war & says hey i have a box of hj knife daimond insignias in the garage i think i,ll drill a hole in the scabbards & affix the hj insignias & sell them on as DJ knifes for mega bucks

What company made them again ?

[Frogprince]

So what i can gather from all the opinions these so called DJ knifes are nothing more than a common scout knife made for the masses at some point during the TR period, then some guy buys a load of these scout knifes post war & says hey i have a box of hj knife daimond insignias in the garage i think i,ll drill a hole in the scabbards & affix the hj insignias & sell them on as DJ knifes for mega bucks

What company made them again ?

It was the “no name” company, inspected and passed by the "gone fishing - RZM". Although I’m fairly certain that I have some “name added” versions in the photo library. To add to the collection of “variants” like the “RZM” example I posted.

But I do have a problem with the idea of the “TR period” aspect of the small knife for the masses. Unless of course somebody honestly thinks that the “Olympic” knife I posted is TR period manufacture. And it’s not a lone stranger when it come to the postwar manufacture of the small knives. Fred