2nd Luftwaffe model SMF

[javi_e]

thank you very much for your effort giving an answer and opinion, anyway the owner of this dagger insists its original....

but thank you very much for all your opinions, much appreciated!

[fdodge]

Well, after all this, I may back pedal a bit.....
After doing a search on the forum of just the SMF maker marks, I am surprised to find a variation of "accepted" designs.
Here are some I lifted from the archives.

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more.

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and last.

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And here is the mm of the dagger being discussed. I'd like to see it close up. It resembles some of the maker marks shown. There are apparently variations of SMF marks!

Frank

[victorbaule]

Si,si... No será que tienes miedo que te hagan lo mismo con tus piezas

because i don´t want to show my collection to ungrateful people.

[victorbaule]

Sorry, but the vast majority of these daggers, have lost their golden colour in the pommel.

I have never seen an SMF Luft2 without a waffen ampt stamp.... and they usually have some gilting on the pommel.

John

[javi_e]

Si,si... No será que tienes miedo que te hagan lo mismo con tus piezas

I have no problems with my pieces, i know what is a fake and what is original, and you in your collection??

my name is enough for people who know me, and they know what i have in my collection. i have no problems to know if any of my items is a fake, you looks to have some problems to hear the opinions of the experts.... and assume the consequences.

[victorbaule]

Prove it with facts, not words

[javi_e]

please Victor,

post a close up of the maker mark.

* Frank, what about the Waffenamt? all the dagger you show have a waffenamt and this one not.

[fdodge]

Frank, what about the Waffenamt? all the dagger you show have a waffenamt and this one not.

You're right there. I've never seen an SMF without one but I'm not the definitive expert here. Maybe it's one of those that slipped through a crack and didn't get the Luftampt (it does look unissued) or maybe a very good reproduction. I've been exposed to quite a few of these types . SMF is a common maker with very discernable traits. But I have to admit that there are some variations in "accepted" maker marks according to the WAF archives.
I would love to see this in hand. It is so close but yet not close enough for me now that I've done a little research. I'm sorry for jumping the gun and giving it a thumbs down earlier. It's an interesting dagger worthy of investigation.
Best regards,
Frank

[STRADALE]

In Wittmans Exploring the Dress Daggers of the German Luftwaffe he writes about one-off prototypes made of aluminum made late in the war. Specifically he mentions a designer w/ Eickhorn firm, not SMF. Interesting that the castings on this dagger look more like aluminum???

[joelabrendola]

styles of the scabbard bands and pommel resemble SMF, but at last I don't like the whole, most of all the mark and the grip wire.
please post a picture of the upper side of the crossguard.

[victorbaule]

I contacted the owner of the dagger and has given me a picture of the top of the crossguard.

In my opinion is the typical SMF design of the top of the crossguard.

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[fdodge]

While he has it apart, could we see the tang?