HJ Knife solid red diamonds

[Mac 66]

This is an original, late HJ with non magnetic hilt by E&F Hörster. This maker sometimes used smaller rivets than usual.

The full red diamond's are early copies, today accepted as originals by some of us.

Best greetings,

Victorman

Victorman, do you have any SOLID PROOF that Solid Red Daimonds are Copies???
You seem to be very Negative about them, Why?

Can we find the truth the whole truth & nothing but the truth about Solid Red Daimond hj insignia in hj knifes & hj pins?

if anybody else has some Info on solid Red hj Insignia Positive or Negative please post your Opinions, Thank You.

Here is a FAKE Solid Red Daimond for the Record

[Mac 66]

Here is a Genuine Solid Red Daimond for the Record

Looks a very similar Solid Red Daimond as Waffendude has posted imo

[josh105]

Seems to me with the fakes the red and white on the diamond is a tad bit lowered and not flush with the bordering metal. With the standard HJ the red and white is flush with the outside and the diamond is all one level - I have never owned a solid red fake HJ so I'm just going on picture that I have seen.

[evilmike]

The thread about them does give some good evidence for solid red being late, xrayed plates showing correct fitting. no evidence of tampering and pin backs with same front.

I have never owned one, and i have seen alot with other issues to indicate a possible replacement, damaged rivets or cracked grips etc, but i think they could be original believe me iam very suspicious!

[Victorman]

Mac66,

I do not have to proof that full red diamonds are fake... those who believe in them have to proof that they are original.
Otherwise tomorrow someone will ask me to proof that his green diamond is wrong...

But I can say this:

- I have seen hundreds of late HJ's, dated 1940, 1941 and 1942 (the last year of HJ knife production) by all of the makers. Never a knife that was in great condition had a full red diamond.

- Unlike for other unusual features ( like for instance the late period plastic hanger which is typical for Kaldenbach's, RZM M7/72 marked HJ knifes), not a single maker can be identified for having used the full red diamond: these fake inlaids end up on all kinds of knifes by different makers, most often on pieces that are already in bad shape, like the one showed here by Mac66 with the broken grip plates. I don't think I have to explain why that happens...

Best greetings,

Victorman

[Mac 66]

Ok Victorman you dont believe they are period daimonds but we are only trying to find out more info about the Solid Red hj Daimonds so we can learn about the origionality & not to keep calling them Fakes or copies, there is too many out there that we all know about, here is another imo Genuine solid Red for the Record.

[David Guist]

Hard to say either way?

[Darrell]

I bought this one eons ago very cheap. Never knew whether original or not. Seems to have the silver trim vs. the gold?

[Darrell]

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[Darrell]

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[Mac 66]

Darrell, nice hj knife, does the daimond have movement ?, to be honest i prefer to see the gold inlay rather than the silver inlay but i,m not writing the silver off at the moment.

[Mac 66]

Guys had a look on the Political pins/badge forum & solid Reds hj members pins are accepted as Genuine, take a look at this link & pages 1, 6 & 7

Maybe the Mod could rename this thread HJ KNIFE SOLID RED DAIMONDS

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=209908

[Darrell]

Hi mate, nope she's solid in place. As far as I can tell anyway.

[Mac 66]

Hi mate, nope she's solid in place. As far as I can tell anyway.

Hi mate, any signs of being glued in at all?

[Darrell]

I'll have to check later today. The scans are pretty good. I can't recollect seeing anything obvious as the closeup of the diamond shows above.