Dagers, help.

[Marc verstraete]

Did the Soldier do occupation duty? That could explain the NPEA, RAD and GO which are not normally picked up by combat veterans.

Again congratulations!

Yes, he was in Austria until 46 or 47. More on him later as I said earlier.
Marc

[Billy G]

Hi Marc,


Very nice haul indeed, a great variety of stuff and all very collectible. Can you post a picture of the police bayonet and it's maker? All the best

[Bob Rodgers]

let me know what the luft's are

[Skipper Greenwade]

Marc,

Tried to PM you, but couldn't get the message to go through, so here's my two cents' worth:
Without knowing what you paid for the grouping of badges and daggers, it appears that you did very well on this purchase. At the risk of stating the obvious, from left to right they are:

Eickhorn Government Official's dagger with the correct hangers. A reasonable selling price for the combo would be in the $5,000.00 range. (Please note: The prices I'm quoting are IMHO realistic with respect to selling the daggers. You can always ask more, but you may have the daggers for a while. Pricing is also contingent on condition and how well they clean up)

Red Cross Leader @ $1,250.00

RAD Leader @ 1,500.00. Though not a model dagger people generally collect by maker, you might add another $50.00 because this one is from one of the scarcer makers

2nd Model Luftwaffe @ 450.00

2nd Model Luftwaffe @ $450.00 Add another $100.00 - $125.00 to the one you sell with the hangers

Short Model Police bayonet. Hard to price from the photo, but a good ballpark estimate would be $750.00

NPEA Student @ $1,900.00

Hitler Youth knife @ $350.00 with motto/$300.00 without motto.

SA dagger...looks to be in rough condition, so I would guess it's value at +/- $300.00

Hope that helps!

PS I would be interested in the cased Blockade Runner badge (or, more accurately, in the case) if you are planning to sell.

See you at the MAX Show!

Best,
Skip

[Marc verstraete]

Hi Skip, Thank you! At least you understand my original question! This is exactly what I needed. Realistic price guidance. Of course, I can go to Wittmann ‘s site, or other dealers to look up; but they do not ask realistic prices, they "display", they don’t "sell".

As for the price I paid for the "collection"; if I’m so successful with veterans, it is because they also communicate between each other’s (at least the "club" I’m in) and they know I pay well, VERRY well!

I need to go back as they still have more stuff but they did not find it when I was there. Probably a couple swords and a few more daggers. I will keep this post updated with pictures and when I know more.

Marc

PS: For all, please! Do not talk" buying / selling" on in this post. As I promised, I will give a chance to all by putting the items I wand to sell on the E-stand. I also will post the medals on the "medals" forum

[Marc verstraete]

Police Bajonet

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[Colorado]

Marc - Skip is right in the ballpark on all the prices and I was not avoiding giving you a price. It is tough to assess a whole group like this as each piece alone has special things that make it's value change greatly. Unlike a lot of other militaria, blade condition, a nick here, a scuff there, patina, a portepee can really alter a price. Some things make them more desirable. The Luftwaffe dagger appears to have gilt on the swastika and that adds value and may be worth more than Skip said. He mentioned maker marks. Those are important to SS, SA, HJ, Luftwaffe and Heer daggers but do not affect others (like the RAD) as much.

[Skipper Greenwade]

Hi Marc,

Glad I could help!

The engraving on the blade of the Police bayonet raises the value I placed on it considerably to say the least - doubling it at a minimum. I'll let those among us more experienced with bayonets weigh in with anything more specific.

Once again...nice score
Skip

[jeremiahcable]

Hi Marc,
I don't comment in here that often but this find of yours is great!! Those really are some stunning pieces. I would love to see some pictures of the HJ when you get a chance. Is it RZM or does it have a maker logo? Thanks again for sharing.

Jeremiah

[Billy G]

Skip and Marc,


I thought the polizei looked like a sweet piece until I saw the etch. Not that it appears overtly post war but in my limited experience, I always tend to scrutinize pieces with an etch that contains a swaz and/or polizei eagles. I've seen a number of beautiful etched police bayonets and even some fire official's daggers with swazs and police eagles in their etches and invariably they were all bunk.

Something also to look at, it seems from the picture that the bayonet's maker is PD Lüneschlöss. I know PDL had a number of fake etched pieces, most memorably Heer and Luft pieces, that arose many years ago and still pop up today.

As I said, I can't see anything dispositive that the etch is fake, but I do see the bottoms of the numbers on the "1939" look a bit cut out from the template. Also o finterest is the letters that appear in the bloodgroove, they look like they trail downward from left to right ever so slightly. Might be my eyes at this late hour but that's how it looks to me now Something to think about nonetheless. A lot of post war etched pieces will show an irregularity in the corners of where the template was placed against the blade.

It might be good to see a closeup of the rivets obverse and reverse and maybe have someone check the etch with a jeweler's loupe. The etch notwithstanding, the bayonet looks proper to me and what kills me is that if I'm right, someone took a perfectly good 3R edged weapon and bu11ocksed it up with a postwar etch.

All the best, BG~

[Marc verstraete]

Hello Bill, all, As I mentioned earlier, I post these daggers on the forum to have 100% agreement of all they are OK before to put some of them on the E-stand.

My experience is limited as I never collected daggers myself but I do have over 30 years of "feeling" experience…. It happen many times that veterans or just normal people who kept "things" from "the war"; added to their "souvenirs" some items gathered years after the war as well. I have a perfect example with the fabulous collection of SS insignias I found 3 years ago in the US from a vet who staid stationed in Germany until the 70’s.

Manny person, veterans or not, especially in Belgium and France, bought items on flea markets in the 60’s / 70’s and say they took them (always from a dead SS) during the last days… I’ve seen this many times before. Sometime these items are fake but always from the early times.

I had one day (over 20 years ago) a person in Brussels who wanted me to buy his whole collection of insignias. He was a real vet, Belgian paratrooper, SAS in 1944, fought in the battle of the bulge, went all the way to deep inside Germany, absolutely authentic en real! When I looked at the medals, who where mounted in a nice large frame, I discovered that ALL the medals worth over a certain amount where fakes…. They guy was absolutely 100% honest and would not have lied about it under torture… But!! He loaned the medals to a "collector / photographer" who needed photographs for a Belgian / French militaria magazine article… You see what happen…

Ok, enough talking, here a few better pictures of the police bajo.

Marc

[Marc verstraete]

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