Airforce & Hunting daggers

[andya]

Hi
These are just two of a number of items that a uk seller has up for auction at present. I know very little about daggers but do fancy a bid on these if original. I have asked for better pictures but in the meantime I was wandering if you could tell anything from these pictures. I thing the final prices will be in the region of £200/£250 eachIf original, is this a fair price?
Thanks in advance
Andy

[andya]

2

2

[andya]

second dagger

second dagger

[andya]

closer

closer

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Andy, I know next to nothing about the huntsmans dagger, but the Luftwaffe example I am sure is 100% bad. It has a large bulbous grip, (which fits badly to the ring above the crossguard) flared ends to the scabbard chape, etc. Always be very wary of any engraved / dedicated blade on Luftwaffe daggers.


Cheers, Ade.

[Skipper Greenwade]

I would stay away from the hunting piece as well unless there are much better photos. The maker mark appears to be that of Anton Wingen. I don't ever recall seeing a hunting/shooting piece by that maker. May be legit, but if it were, I would have to think seller would be asking considerably more money for it.

Best,
Skip

[Eric Hall]

Hi Andy,
Skip is correct about the Hunting Dagger. It has several details that scream post-war. Among the other red flags the trademark is all wrong.

Anton Wingen is a VERY VERY rare maker of DJ faengers. I own one of two known to exist. This girl of mine was found at the 04 SOS.

[Scott C.]

For what it's worth, here's an AW Jr mark on an early SA...

[Tiger 1]

Andy,

The proportions of the Hunting Association dagger are not correct for a Third Reich era piece. The blade is too long and too thin. IMO it's either postwar as mentioned above or an earlier piece "upgraded" somewhere along the way with a Third Reich style DJ insignia in the grip. Either way it's not original.

The Luft dagger? Forget about it.

Tony

[Ron Weinand]

Both of these are post war editions. The hunting has the TM wrong and the 2nd Luft is very obviously bad.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

[andya]

Many thanks for all your help. The seller has about 6 items all of which he claims were his late fathers and original. I shall contact him accordingly
Regards
andy