Wasserschutzpolizei

[HenrikKH]

The insignia almost looks as it sits on a disk. Someone polished the insignia and left lots of polisher...

[Billy G]

Henrik,

Nice looking dagger. I presume it has one of the later Alcoso marks, the ACS or AWS placed parallel to the blade?

[HenrikKH]

Henrik,

Nice looking dagger. I presume it has one of the later Alcoso marks, the ACS or AWS placed parallel to the blade?

No. It has the early crossguard with the diamant.

[Billy G]

Nice sailing ship etch. I'm noticing that there seems to be a grip variant present on earlier daggers with this maker's mark.

Occasionally we see Alcoso grips that have 9 ribs instead of 6. Also observed with these earlier daggers is a variant emblem, the Polizei bayonet style usually observed on Eickhorn daggers. Clearly there is no textbook on these daggers but rather some types that are more acceptable than others.

[HenrikKH]

Nice sailing ship etch. I'm noticing that there seems to be a grip variant present on earlier daggers with this maker's mark.

Occasionally we see Alcoso grips that have 9 ribs instead of 6. Also observed with these earlier daggers is a variant emblem, the Polizei bayonet style usually observed on Eickhorn daggers. Clearly there is no textbook on these daggers but rather some types that are more acceptable than others.

Mine has just the 6 as normal seen.

[BobI]

Nice sailing ship etch. I'm noticing that there seems to be a grip variant present on earlier daggers with this maker's mark.

Occasionally we see Alcoso grips that have 9 ribs instead of 6. Also observed with these earlier daggers is a variant emblem, the Polizei bayonet style usually observed on Eickhorn daggers. Clearly there is no textbook on these daggers but rather some types that are more acceptable than others.

Dood, Hey! I was thinking this may fit somehow into our developing theory in which some of these were upgraded KM daggers. Maybe the grip was purchased from a store or factory to have installed onto an existing dagger. Hmmm, I wonder if Jim has any kind of invoices for such a thing? Or is Oleg might be able to recognize something that could help us ID a grip. I think there is a large puzzle on these and we will never know it all but.... what else do we have to do? Especially with a Governor who thinks he is Mussolini!?

[JoeW]

Billy, Given the circumstances I'm in agreement that in the early period mistakes were made that are understandable. Also liking his books where he provided some of the original source material that for an average/ordinary collector trying to find it was going to be difficult. Also being of the opinion that a lack of effort in proofing might have been what happened. But as it did for you, the "alarm bells" I think should have been ringing. Fred

As one of the many authors that actually wrote the early volumes of TMJ's books, I wanted to provide accurate information and included source material in my chapter on police weapons. I provided my photos, but they were supplemented with others provided by the editor, TMJ, that would not have included. I was asked to provide a chapter on sidearms of the Waterpolice, but I declined because at that time I had not discovered the decrees introducing the use of swords, bayonets and the dagger. But a chapter was included anyway. The series for the most part was an excellent introduction to collecting TR blade sidearms.

[Billy G]

Joe,

Thank you for chiming in on this topic. Is there any regulation you're aware of that authorized the use of the scarcely seen gold/navy hangers and knots that have been attributed by some to the Wasserschutzpolizei?

My understanding is that this supposed connection started with Mollo's book in or around 1967, before Tom Johnson mentioned it in his Volume I.

[thebig]

Hello Gentlemen,
as far as I know the parts of the WSP daggers were the same as the parts of the KM daggers. The exception, of course, were the handle and pommel. All of the WSP daggers I've seen have been by Alcoso and Eickhorn. I mean the daggers from 100% safe sources like an owner’s family etc. Here are a few pictures of the WSP daggers as they were worn.
Best,
Oleg.

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[Ron Weinand]

thebig, there are certain differences from the Navy Daggers and WPS in certain manufacturers. This is especially true with Eickhorn.

[thebig]

Ron Weinand, which for example?

[Ron Weinand]

I will not post the answer on line, but suggest you carefully compare WSP and Eichhorn Naval Daggers and you will see the difference.

[glaser]

great pics Oleg!

[Mac 66]

Good thread on these WSP daggers

[BobI]

Here is what you want to see on an Eickhorn,
Bob