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    Outfitting a Stug III

    The museum that I work with has recently acquired a Stug III G reproduction. It was purchased to have some opposition to the Allied armor during the annual show battle. For a small museum, the Allied collection is very respectable. This year we will likely have 2 Shermans, a Stuart, a M18 Hellcat, a Chaffee and a M8 Armored car on the field.

    The interior of the Stug is actually pretty good. Most repros seem to look like "a dog's breakfast", as my dad used to say. I am in charge of the vehicle and I want to bring the interior up to scratch with regards to radios and intercoms.

    The problem is, I know what the stuff looks like, but don't know much about how it operates. The first thing we need to achieve is a working intercom that at least looks correct. I have working throat microphones, hand microphones and regular headphones. I don't have any "panzer" headphones.

    On another thread, it was mentioned that a UK w E. with a yellow stripe was one that had intercom capabilities. One of my Ukw E's has the yellow stripe and one doesn't. Would the tank commander have the ability to speak directly on the radio or would that be up to the radio operator alone?

    Does the Tank commander's intercom switch between the radio and the intercom? If so, where would the switch be located?

    The Stug will be marked as a tank destroyer in a panzer division. Would it be fitted with a Ukw E and 10 watt transmitter plus a Fusprech F?

    It would likely be a command tank so should it have another Ukw E ?

    Neil

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    Neil,

    I can help with that.

    I installed the radios, intercom system and gyro-compass system in Jacques Littlefield's Panther, Sd.Kfz 222 and started working on his MINT Stug IIIg.

    Question: What period do you want to outfit it for? Pre-1944 or post-1944. In the pre-1944 models the configuration used the Ukw.E.h and 10W.S.h set (Fu16) with intercom box Kasten 24+ Kasten 25, while in the post-1944 config they used the standard Fu5 set (Ukw.E.e and 10W.S.c) with Kasten 24 and 22 (correction).

    Please email me at ydesyatnik@sbcglobal.net with your phone number, and we can talk - quicker that way.

    Yuri
    Last edited by Yuri Desyatnik; 11-22-2010, 11:28 AM.

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      #3
      I have replied directly to Yuri.

      I am still interested in any information that the rest of the group can provide.

      Neil

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        #4
        Here are some illustrations from D9020/48 describing the installation in the Stug III ausf. G

        The "normal" version of the late war ausf. G would be fitted with the Fu 5 + Fu 2 and uses the Kasten Pz.Nr.24:

        <a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/?action=view&amp;current=2-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/2-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

        The "Befehls" version is fitted with Fu 5 and Fu 8. It retains the Kasten Pz.Nr.24 for the intercom, but only the Fu 5 remains connected:

        <a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/?action=view&amp;current=1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

        This is the wiring diagram for the radio / intercom installation:

        <a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/?action=view&amp;current=3-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/3-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

        This is the layout of the Fu 8 on the right hand side of the vehicle. Note the Sternantenne and the extra porcelain insulator in the antenna mount, and the antenna lengthening coil:

        <a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/?action=view&amp;current=3-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/3-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

        I saw a weblink with photo's of one of the Finnish Stugs fitted with the Fu 5 and Fu 8 (repainted but otherwise original) but I can not find it back!

        Regards,

        Funksammler

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          #5
          Correct final picture:

          <a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/?action=view&amp;current=3-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/3-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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            #6
            For some reason I couldn't paste the right link, so here it goes again:

            <a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/?action=view&amp;current=3-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/4-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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              #7
              If I understand this correctly:

              Pz Nr 22(B) = Intercom socket ( 1 headphone/microphone input and 1 wire to the intercom system)
              Pz Nr 25 = Intercom socket (1 headphone/microphone input with pass through wiring to the intercom system)
              Pz Nr 24 = Intercom hub (2 headphone/microphone inputs and 3 wiring lines)

              In the "normal" Ausf. G the 24 appears to be where the commander and the radio operator plug in directly. One of the hard wired lines is where the gunner and driver's lines come in. The other 2 hard wired lines go to 22(b) sockets for the 2 radio sets. Presumably the 24 has a switch to select between the intercom and the two radios. The second radio (receiver only) has a loudspeaker instead of a headset for the radio operator.

              The "command" Ausf. G has the second radio isolated from the intercom. It looks like the radio operator has 2 headsets. Is that true?

              Does anyone have pictures of these sockets?

              Thanks

              Neil

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                #8
                The Kasten Pz. 22B are the connection boxes to the radio, essentially the two receivers are connected in parallel. (unlike the Kasten Pz 20 used in the tanks, the 24 only has a single receiver input, this was discussed in an earlier thread: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=463752).

                In the command version there are essentially two radio operators, the Loader is radio operator Nr. 1 operating the Fu8, the commander is radio operator nr.2 operating the Fu 5

                Also note that in the "normal" version, the headsets for the commander and radio operator are "crossed over"; they use the junctions on the oposite side of the Kasten Pz.nr. 24.

                The schematic shows the second receiver plugged both into the intercom and into the loudspeaker. The loudspeaker seems to be a carry over from earlier versions without full intercom systems, perhaps some Stug crews preferred to fight without their headphones on....

                regards,

                Funksammler

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                  #9
                  Some interior shots:

                  http://www.panzerace.net/pz-forum/pr...s.asp?TID=1429

                  regards,

                  Funksammler

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                    #10
                    We had this StuG in the Museum for a few weeks. The first picture is the sidewall next to the commander. From what is left, it looked like there was a 10 W transmitter (sitting above a U10a) plus a Ukw E receiver, then a EUa and a Loudspeaker on the end. The curved arm at the top of the photo seems to be the mount for the commander's rangefinder. That seems to be completely different from the one pictured in the Wireless for Wehrmacht book.



                    This photo is from the thread Funksammler posted:



                    Would the transmitter and receiver be in one frame like this one sitting loose?



                    On the loader's side, it seems to be the 30 Watt Transmitter and MW E c. plus the power supplies. Is this a command StuG?



                    Also from that other thread:

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                      #11
                      Hello,

                      Would you have more inside pictures of your museum STUG ?
                      Especially where the radios and panzerkasten are located.

                      Very interesting restoration/conservation project.

                      Thanks

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                        #12
                        I have been talking about 3 separate vehicles.

                        Our current Stug III G is a reproduction. We have only had that one a couple of weeks. I don't have many pictures of that one but I can take more. I will be fitting that one out with new radios, racks and intercom. I am trying to establish what would be correct for it.

                        The pictures of the tan Stug III (with the radios missing) was an original Stug that was being shipped from California to England through the port of Houston Texas. It sat at the museum while all the paperwork was being completed. It was owned by a reenacting group in California and I know they did some restoration work but I am not sure how much. As far as I can tell it is mostly in its' original condition. To allow it in to California as a privately owned vehicle, the breech block had to be removed. I have 153 pictures of that vehicle. I will have to ask the photographer's permission before I go posting those pictures.

                        The Stug with the green gun is one from the thread that Funksammler posted earlier in this thread. I reposted them to make it easier to compare. I don't know who that one belongs to.

                        Neil

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                          #13
                          This is the first frame I built for the Single Ukw E receiver. Making the rubber mounting blocks was a little tricky but it seems to work out ok.







                          This mount is the one in the Aberdeen Proving Ground's Hetzer.

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                            #14
                            Very nice looking frame, you did it excellent.
                            Are the locking brackets new? Any source to buy them from?

                            Henrik

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                              #15
                              I made the entire thing from scratch except for the latches themselves. I have a stock of them for the radio cases that I build.

                              I had to guess from photographs but I think they turned out ok.

                              Neil

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