Attic Find '' Pz.Gren Officer visor cap

[RGD51]

I love all the tangents being explored and am
open to enlightenment.

Robt.

[phild]

I would be more skeptical had I not seen the very similar but unfaded LW officers cap. Others who were standing there and had handled it did not realize the difference until I said something. I suspect this cap was the same way during the period. I do find it a little odd that two very different fabrics faded about the same and the non faded part is made from a very similar if not identical fabric to one of the faded fabrics.

I can not explain this cap as a fake

[solo]

I had a visor WH made in two colors and the roof was uneven (even The Rupture Duck had a similar cap of the same brand) but absolutely original.

Carlo

[BenVK]

Looks to be an authentic Pz Gren Holters made cap to me.
You can see the unfaded lime green piping through one of the insect holes.
Construction all looks typical Holters including the stirndruckfrei fabric which is sewn between the leather band and the cap frame. It's full of holes however which makes it look a bit odd.
Could really do with a gentle clean, it's filthy! especially on the top.

[Sonderkommando]

I have a Heer Holters, but made of one fabric lot, so some characteristics compare and and others do not between the two.
I would suggest that although this subject cap is made from three different lots of material, the sides are a “woolen” wool and the top is tricot wool. IMO the dyes of the top and rear panels have faded almost the same color shade while the front as not. I think when the cap was new it all matched perfectly.

This explains it perfectly.

For me an original cap.

[me6_130]

You should also consider the possibility of the different panels sewn inside out, so colour would match originally but when worn or faded you would get a different shade due to the slightly different wave. That is something you learn when you start tailoring.

Carles

[jacquesf]

With Ben's experitse on fixing and construction of visors, I will change my opinion that is was a home job. LOL J

[afrikasandman]

I know Ben has weighed in but I still don’t like the way the sweatband is in this cap. I have never owned a Halters visor, just never picked one up when I was collecting Pz grn caps by maker. It just strikes me as poorly sewn in, but could just be the angle. Almost seems like part of it has come undone, which may give it the impression that it’s been sewn back in.

The more I look at it, the more I think it’s probably god just faded really oddly. I’ve always found Holters caps interesting as they don’t tend to come up often.

Matt

thank you for your opinion matt , everyone can express their opinions, but I would ask for some more specific observations, maybe we will be able to discuss , topic about Holters products are in the circle of my interests.

[enorepap]

Waiting for the images of Silesia, I return to the sweatband's issue. I have compared many original Holters and, with reference to the Berlin W50 logo that only interests me, I found them (in almost equal proportion) both with the particular V-stitching and the full and thin light brown stirndruckfrei that with the sewing system normally used with the pre-1937 Wilhelmstrasse 49 logo and therefore without stirndruckfrei.

It must therefore be deduced that in fact, in any case, for a considerable part of the visors made from 1937 onwards, Holters used the aforementioned stirndruckfrei system. It remains to be said that the lining is certainly original (and here is the reason why internal images are in my opinion absolutely necessary) but also that the moths that have reduced in that state this ill-fated stirndruckfrei had to be bestially hungry

Best regards

[TWS]

Fading can certainly take its toll. I surmise my enlisted PzG cap was either worn outdoors a lot or a previous collector had it on display behind a sunlit window for many years. Note the the original piping color is almost an exact match with that on my officer cap when the unexposed piping is viewed.

[Cyngiel84]

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beautiful original

[busterz111]

Nice Visor

Guys...You have to take into effect 70 Years of Age...I am sure when this was Brand new it May have blended much Better than it does today...LOTS of Factors to get that Mis match happening Also Lighting Can take its toll in the Fading world...Some Overhead lining Played Havoc on all sorts of items over the years

[RobertE]

I would have bought this cap in a second. It's a beautiful original example IMO.

s/f Robert

[silesia-antik]

Thank You Gent's for ALL opinion , I,m sorry for my late answer , sudden business trip / Time Traveling
additional pictures inside the cap ;

[enorepap]

I am the one who asked Silesia for the internal images he has so kindly posted and so I have to show my opinion: the lining stitches are credible, especially in the front. The long side and back stitches are unusual but I do not see any unmistakable empty holes of previous stitching. The stirndruckfrei is also present inside and unquestionable just because devoured as outside. The folds are ordered, compatibly with the general state of conservation of the visor. The holes at the top of the inside front lining may have been caused by the prongs of an earlier metal eagle or by the seam of an earlier embroidered eagle, though this was an unusual practice for Holters (so far I have seen only one case of this practice). Perhaps also, though very faded, the signs of the quadrants drawn by a pencil on the lining panels. All in all and while the different colors of the outside fabric remain unexplainable for me, I like the inside of this visor.

Best regards