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**stonemint** · 06-13-2018, 09:25 PM

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**solo** · 06-14-2018, 04:41 AM

The skull is a fake also the eagle,the cap...I don'tknow,I am not expert on SS visor

Carlo

**Robert Shoaf** · 06-14-2018, 08:37 AM

I'm glad I have no interest in collecting SS headgear; these things are a bloody minefield. Talk about caveat emptor!

Bob Shoaf

**solo** · 06-14-2018, 09:33 AM

too many fakes, for this reason I do not collect them

Carlo

**enorepap** · 06-14-2018, 02:00 PM

Obviously Oesterle Albert is a confirmed, even if rarely seen, mutzenmachermeister of Augsburg, Werderstr. 25:

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=422
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=567
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=436
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=367
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=393

In 1939 Albert disappeared and the enterprise was renamed to Aloisia (probably his wife):

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=217
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=366
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=749

but they were in the same business in the post-war period and at the same address also:

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=287
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=310
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=299
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=311
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=330
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=320

In 1957 they moved their address to Hegelstr. 16:

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=332
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=285

and in 1961 the widow retired from the business:

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=331
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=358

So, in summary, the interior is very captivating, however, the attribution to a well-known character, Ostubaf. Ludwig Spindler (RKT at Arnhem and killed in the Bulge) requires a lot of caution and a solid pedigree. Moreover, the fact that it is not untouched, in the sense that the eagle & skull are fake, is not a good business card. Is it possible that it is the first time it appears on the market? From the pictures, the exterior looks worn out and I see no signs (flashy at least) of mending the black velvet band. But these shots are not sufficient and much closer images are needed to express a minimally founded judgment. Who sells it and at what price?

Best regards

**stonemint** · 06-14-2018, 02:23 PM

Marcello, I was waiting for someone to comment on the Spindler tag!

What is even more interesting is that Spindler was wearing a branch-piped visor as in late 1944:

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**jacquesf** · 06-14-2018, 02:38 PM

Chris, two things jumped at me. The fabric color of the gray is very dark ( might be the picture). I am very wary of dark color waffen ss visors. Inside looks good, but then there is that name tag again. J

**enorepap** · 06-14-2018, 02:50 PM

Indeed the interior promises more than the exterior. Even the fabric does not convince me and the nameplate, though apparently yellowed, helps to increase my suspicion. Thus, the balance hangs more on the negative. However, here the matter always returns to the certainty of its origin, the name of the seller and the price. As my personal opinion, I would not buy it.

Best regards

**giorgio** · 06-14-2018, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by enorepap View Post

Indeed the interior promises more than the exterior. Even the fabric does not convince me and the nameplate, though apparently yellowed, helps to increase my suspicion. Thus, the balance hangs more on the negative. However, here the matter always returns to the certainty of its origin, the name of the seller and the price. As my personal opinion, I would not buy it.

Best regards

Agree...not for me as well....
Regards
Giorgio

**Robert H** · 06-15-2018, 06:50 AM

I don´t like it, think its a put together or maybe a complete copy

Where is this one from collector, dealer?

**TWS** · 06-15-2018, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by stonemint View Post

Marcello, I was waiting for someone to comment on the Spindler tag!

Too funny. I just recently completed the book "It never snows in September".

It's a tactic of fakers to try and get collectors excited and cloud their judgement about the rest of an item by adding name tags like that. That situation may apply in this case.

**stonemint** · 06-15-2018, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by Robert H View Post

I don´t like it, think its a put together or maybe a complete copy

Where is this one from collector, dealer?

Robt, it is a dealer out of Italy.

**stonemint** · 06-15-2018, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by TWS View Post

Too funny. I just recently completed the book "It never snows in September".

It's a tactic of fakers to try and get collectors excited and cloud their judgement about the rest of an item by adding name tags like that. That situation may apply in this case.

I agree, it is a major red flag when a hat has the nametag of an RKT, w/o any additional provenance. (and it is the second SS visor this week "attributed" to an RKT).

PS--that was a terrific book!

**Jeff V** · 06-15-2018, 12:06 PM

Don't like it at all. Based on surviving material it seems that the only SS items that made it through the war were worn by Knight's Cross holders.

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