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    #16
    Thanks for your opinions guys i really appreciate it..

    Peter the thread remains are from the very poorly restored vulkan schirm that was on it when i Got it, you Can see the impression in the wool from where it sat, i belive if it had buttons they would be placed further back to accomodate the lenght of the cord.
    I dont have it in hand but i dont remember it having any holes in the pasteboard from previous insignia.
    Also another thing i find interesting is the cap band is joined at the front under the wreath wich would not be hidden with a reichswehr cokade..

    I know there is alot of diffrent opinions about what the term crusher covers and i respekt your opinion but i am convinced it is a rebuilt, but i am no expert
    Jens

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      #17
      Hi again, i now have the cap back and have looked it over..
      I am sorry for the long post but here is what i see..

      The stitchlines you have taken pictures of on the pasteboard is definetly not from the wreath sewing, it has 3 vertikal stitchlines wich is there to connect the pasteboard wich is joined right there at the front.. I can even feel them through the capband going under the wreath..
      If you look at the lenght of the stitches on the wreath they are also Much shorter than the ones on the pasteboard..
      So there is no chance these Can be connected.. Furthermore if i take a needle and put it though the stitchholes in the pasteboard they do not come out where the wreath is sewn, actully not even close..

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        #18
        Last check this picture were the sewing goes behind the piping.. How is this possible if the wreath was sewn later?
        the wreath is sewn to the cap band only wich Can only be done when the cap is still in parts, i have no doubt in my mind about this cap was born with these insignia and there is no Way it Can be reworked..

        Let me know if i should take more pictures
        Jens
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          #19
          This is where the pasteboard is joined, and the stitch lines to hold it togheter.. These are not from the sewing of the wreath..
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            #20
            I think that this is a standard Reichsheer/early TR plain old regular visor with the embellishments as already noted.

            Don.

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              #21
              Thanks for your opinion Don, so you also Think it is a reworked weimar visor cap?

              All the best
              Jens

              Originally posted by DonC View Post
              I think that this is a standard Reichsheer/early TR plain old regular visor with the embellishments as already noted.

              Don.

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                #22
                Hello Jens

                The cap is original , no doubt, i also belive that the rework was done pre may 45.

                But the cap is not a real crusher, its a nice reworked visor imo. (period rework)

                It can still be restored to a nice cap with the looks of a crusher though.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Jens Thune View Post
                  Thanks for your opinion Don, so you also Think it is a reworked weimar visor cap?

                  All the best
                  Jens
                  Hello, Jens - yes, I do - I just don't see typical crusher characteristics, while I do see a lot of Weimar-style bits about it. Still, an original cap, IMO.

                  Don

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                    #24
                    Thanks I appreciate your opinions, and i assume the weimar charataristics are the cardboard pasteboard and the color of the capband?

                    I am not calling it a true crusher primarily because of the pasteboard, but i still find the following charataristics interesting..
                    Its lightweight, even thought it has cardboard pasteboard it is soft and pliable and not what you would find in a dress visor, it has no holes of previous insignia, wreath is sewn on the capband before asembly and it does not have signs of buttons..

                    I have no problem if it turns out to be a rework, but i just cant see how this could have been done? Unless the cap was taken completely apart just to machine sew the wreath to the cap band, but is that what you guys Think happened??
                    Jens
                    Last edited by Jens Thune; 06-21-2014, 08:51 AM.

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                      #25
                      like it

                      no period hat, possible pre war converted

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                        #26
                        I'm back a little late to the discussion but at least wanted to share my approach to "judging" a piece like this.

                        I did say the insignia application was textbook and not that all traits were there for a textbook crusher. In my personal opinion, the insignia were machine sewn when the cap was made.

                        There are neither holes from metal insignia and bullion insignia would have been sewn through the pasteboard. There was a vulkan visor poorly restored as Jens Thune stated -- hence the holes. No chin cord buttons ever attached.

                        I totally agree that a cardboard pasteboard is not giving the desired crush-effect but it is seen in period crushers. There are a lot of hybrid versions.

                        Let's assume the first owner of this piece had worn this piece with a Waffenrock and encountered a superior officer (these "field caps" were not allowed to be worn with Waffenrocks). Do you really think he would have gotten away by saying: "Well Sir, this cap has BeVo insignia and no chin cords but check out the pasteboard!"?

                        At the time, people would have seen this as a Feldmütze alter Art & I personally like to take that approach evaluating it. Except for the pasteboard (which I find acceptable), this piece has more characteristics of an alter Art than a Schirmmütze in my opinion (that is personal preference though I guess).

                        It clearly doesn't meet collector's expectations and I totally respect that.
                        Also, it is obviously not as crushable (without damaging it) as those examples with buckram pasteboards. Still, I am still learning and have encountered some weird surprises with these.

                        A couple of years ago, I received a totally mothed Cavalry crusher fresh from the attic. It had a soft buckram pasteboard (as easily seen through the mothing -- thanks for that you beasts). Guess what though, it had a cap spring. It had eaten it's way through the crusher as you can see in the pics I took right after I got it. So you see both extremes...

                        Kurt

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                              #29
                              If this is a weimar visor, then please tell me:

                              Why are there no holes from previous insignia?
                              The wreath sewing goes behind the piping.. As Jens ask - How is this possible if the wreath was sewn later?

                              I don't think this is a weimar..
                              Please remember, not all items are 100% textbook..
                              Last edited by Snni; 06-23-2014, 03:11 PM.

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