Waffenfarbe judgment question

[Mike Davis]

In viewers' opinion, what branch would this color green represent?

[afrikasandman]

Mike,

well man that is a hard one to say. Based on what my screen shows I would say Jager or PzGrn. Really need to look at the protected area at the back of the cap to be certain. Its a nice looker, maybe I could use another Matt

[Mike Davis]

Well, right, it should be one of the other - but which? Color of piping is consistent throughout....

[BaselA]

IMHO this is a jäger cap, the piping looks a little less "faded" under the wreath/chincord which is a good indicator.

[Glenn McInnes]

IMHO this is a jäger cap.

I agree.







Glenn

[pauke]

piping

Looks like Pz. Gren. on my screen, either reseda green or wiesengruen. Do you have any clearly Jaeger green-piped straps to put next to the hat?

[Gene]

I agree, Panzer Grenadier

[Richard T]

PG on my screen

Richard

[Tim O'Keefe]

Ahhh, the age old question, to Jager or not to Jager....

Looks like wiesengruen for the Schutzen to me

[afrikasandman]

It is truly the age old question, hell I have a couple of these and rarely is it a clear cut answer. Id call this one Jager but thats just me. Id be interested if its coming up for sale depending on the maker. Matt

[ErichK]

Looks like panzer grenadier to me.

[90th Light]

Ah!...... the age old "green" question

Keep in mind that when German soldiers arrived in Afrika in Feb 1941. The green waffenfarbe that many were wearing was for a specialist infantry. In their case specialised light units. May be NZ Mark can explain it better than myself,

Chris

p.s. note that 3 of the 4 greens ("hellgrun", "resedagrun" and "wiessengrun") are identified and assigned to units on the page of the 1941 booklet shown below. I do not think that Mike's cap is the "dunkelgrun" of administration. On my monitor, it looks to be "apple green" and not "lime green"

Hi All.
I have watched this thread with interest, but actually found it disappointing due to the lack of more input.
To lay the issue to rest - resedagrun was an officially designated wartime colour to be instituted initially for members of Rifle Regiments in 1941. Please see the attached scan of a page from a 1941 dated booklet picked up in Libya by a New Zealand intelligence officer. This was part of a grouping he brought back to NZ. The information for this booklet was compiled in 1940 - NOTE the two small stars attending the entry I have surrounded in a box, and the legend 'Pending Implementation'(along with copper brown - kupfer braun for Reconaisance Battalions)
The problem with studying the use of the four pre-war and wartime greens used on waffenfarbe (weisegrun, resedagrun, hellgrun & dunkelgrun) is that they must be viewed in the context of the implementation time-line, and the supply problems that invariably produced and overlay of service use during the transition period.
Enjoy this wonderful piece of history - it is incredibly rare, and supremely important.
Regards,
Mark.
PS - I feel it is completely misleading to state that if you cannot find it on the web, then it must be unlikely to be official terminology. This is quite detrimental to the learning process.

[NZMark]

Wow,
I come across sounding condescending on that one! Did not mean to at all, just to be clear.
The big question with Mike's cap is when was it manufactured - tie that into waffenfarbe implementation timelines and that should help.
On my monitor I am with Chris - more 'grass' than 'lime' green - but then this all depends on monitor settings...
Regards,
Mark
NZ

[BPA-Paul]

Looks jäger on my screen Mike.

[jacquesf]

Mike it is not the text book green for jager,neither is it for textbook green for Panzergren. I would however lean towards the shade for PZ. Hope this helped LOL. J