Panzer Headgear Collection-Be Careful

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Second;

Black Pz. "Karl Kubach" with zig-zag machine stitched eagle, unusual magnetic brass/ gilt plated grommets for Kubach, straight stitch machine applied cockade and machine sewn bottom hem of the liner,

Chris

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Third;

Field grey WH "Karl Kubach" with hand applied eagle, regular zinc grommets, hand applied cockade and hand sewn bottom hem of the liner. This cap "salty-extreme" is one of mine and was brought back by a NZ vet.

Chris

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In regard to post numbers 135 to 138 then this thread is worth a read http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...+Kubach&page=2

Also for those who can not see the grommets in the Karl Kubach sidecap shown in post number 138, here is a close up of them. This is the regular wide spread type of zinc grommet that one usually encounters in a cap by this maker including tropical examples,

Chris

[LuckyStrike23]

Interesting point is that the second one is used in a sidecap with markings for "ROBERT LUBSTEIN" in 1940.
And i think this maker used "classical" zinc grommets too in 1940.

Robert Lubstein made a lot of panzer side caps. In my experience they used the same style of grommets but in different material. This well worn example is mine and stamped RL 1940. Here they used zinc grommets:

[LuckyStrike23]

this officer upgrade came straight from the family. Its also stamped RL 1940 but with brass (??) grommets:

[LuckyStrike23]

I think its not that seldom that one maker used different grommets - even at the same time. Even a completely differenent style wouldnt surprise me.

As for the Karl Kubach caps - I have seen them only with machine sewn insignia. The hand sewn eagle might be period - but I doubt it was the way the factory had sewn it. Maybe it was a replacement during the war....we will never know for sure....

[derka]

Robert Lubstein made a lot of panzer side caps. In my experience they used the same style of grommets but in different material. This well worn example is mine and stamped RL 1940. Here they used zinc grommets:

for comparizon :

the RL i mentionned above







another one

[derka]

mixt of material in a same grommet is commonly seen



and another CW feldgrau 1940 with "classical" zinc grommets :

[BenVK]

I'm going to start a few new threads to start fresh.

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I'm going to start a few new threads to start fresh.

Hello Ben, then this is a major avenue to follow up on

I am comfortable with the general's Schiffchen above and believe it to be the work of Averbeck & Bröskamp. I have an identical one from a Pz uniform set belonging to general Hermann von Hülsen of the 21st Pz Div. This may actually be part of the second Pz uniform set that was auctioned off at the same time back in 1987. I have a set of Schiffchen, wrapper and pants and a friend of mine in Seattle has got the custom-tailored DAK tunic, pants and M40 cap from that auction. There were two identical wrapper sets in the auction, and the one I didn't get came with British capture papers. Richard was telling me he thought he may have located that one, but it was never confirmed, as the seller didn't have much memory of where he got it, etc.

If one of Richard's black Pz. generals caps belonged to "von Husen" then it is one of the all time great finds and worth its weight in gold,

Chris

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I think its not that seldom that one maker used different grommets - even at the same time. Even a completely differenent style wouldnt surprise me.

As for the Karl Kubach caps - I have seen them only with machine sewn insignia. The hand sewn eagle might be period - but I doubt it was the way the factory had sewn it. Maybe it was a replacement during the war....we will never know for sure....

Very interesting LuckyStrike23,

every tropical billed M40 "Karl Kubach" brought back from Africa or Italy by a New Zealand soldier has always had a hand applied eagle. I have never seen one with a machine sewn eagle,

Notice also, how the hem along the bottom of the liner is sewn. On the panzer sidecaps by this maker, a hand applied eagle seems to go with a hand finished liner edge. Where as a machine sewn eagle seems to go with a machine sewn liner edge.

The eagle on my field grey example has been there for ever. There are a couple of reasons why I say this but may be a better image of it would help. I will take one later and post it here.

In the mean time, here is an example which has just surfaced recently. This is a late 42/ 1943 cap with hand applied eagle, machine sewn cockade and magnetic grommets spread in the usual "Kubach" manner. The tropical billed M40's by Karl Kubach always have a hand applied eagle and machine sewn cockade,

Chris

[BenVK]

No offence but I don't know who Nick Komiya is and therefore his story is just a story...

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Just extending post number 147,

The tropical sidecaps by Karl Kubach seem to always have both a hand applied eagle and cockade.

I do not have a Kubach tropical sidecap in my collection because they are a hard one to find and do not turn up all that often. My friend does have two however, so I will check how the bottom of the liner has been sewn i.e machine or hand ???

In the mean time here is an image that Ralph.H. posted some time ago of his very nice example,

Chris

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No offence but I don't know who Nick Komiya is and therefore his story is just a story...

No it is not a story Ben, it is one of the major documented finds of German WW2 generals uniforms (esp. tropical/ panzer) .

I have been told about this find more than once by the most experienced of collectors. Also I remember the excitment and anticipation at the time that it was all happening. Keep in mind that the "von Husen" family took legal action to stop the sale. Thus you have the dealers catologs and German legal documents proving it all. Those who know their DAK/ tropical stuff, know about this one.

I am sure that you will find, Nick knows his stuff in more ways than one and his facts are 101% correct.

This is definitely a lead worth following up on esp. given that Nick recognises one of the caps as being the same as his one and who the maker/ tailor is,

Chris

[BenVK]

Sorry, I don't collect this stuff based on stories, end of.