m43
Where did that one turn up? Did you buy it as an original?
Where did that one turn up? Did you buy it as an original?
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Looks like even the same size stamp was used. Mine is a well-made fake.Comment
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M43
Where did you buy it and who made it? Do you know? Does your use original materials and original buttons?Comment
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I bought it off ebay years ago before the Nazi "crack-down". I bought it as an original from an American who said it came from a Polish film company. It fooled me for a bit but alarm bells were ringing. I like to think I'm fairly experienced as I collect M43 hats. Showed it around a few SOS shows and got a universal
. One thing is the wool. It looks like 1939 quality instead of 1943. There are other things that would not be a "kiss-of-death" by themselves but when you have 4 or 5 strung together on the same item...
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I think the trap may be original and possibly the buttons. All easily found by the dozens..Comment
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m43
Ok. thanks for the info.Comment
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I agree with others that this is not a war time made cap and the explanations given were on the mark. Good learning thread.HCComment
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m43
What explanations? That the wool looks like wool from 39 not 43? what else is not correct in the construction and materials used in the cap? The cap I have here has original buttons,original insignia, and in my oppinion made from original materials.Comment
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The fakes have gotten so good over the years that sometimes it is only the construction materials that give them away. Medals are similar. Fakes are very good, but difficult for the fakers to replicate the base material of zinc or whatever.
On this hat, the wool being wrong is a major giveaway. The inclusion of only a size stamp with no other markings is a red flag to me as well.HCComment
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The wool is wrong? Because why? The wool is period German wool as are all the other materials in the hat. I want to know what besides a earlier quality of wool being used is wrong with this hat. As for the size stamp and no other marking why is that a red flag? I have owned and do own caps with only a size stamp that are original. I am just trying to figure out what you are seeing in the construction details that is not right. Besides the early wool.Comment
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you will find the same fake as yours in these threadsOriginally posted by Sayle F View Post
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=540086Give a man an opinion and you feed him for a day,
teach a man to use the "search" function on the WAF and you feed him for a lifetime.Comment
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What makes that one bad, the size stamp? Yes it looks to be the same maker but what makes it bad? Hey I am not new to collecting TR headgear and I dont see what is bad here. And I also have nothing to lose, the cap is not mine it was offered to me. Just trying to get some answers as to what you guys are seeing wrong with these caps . If someone knows where these things are coming from and who is making them lets hear it. They are made as I have said from original materials IMO . But everyone has their own idea of what is right I guess.Comment
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Without giving out too much info on what is wrong.....
1) Your post #5 and my #14
2) The way the buttons are sewn on
3) The way the trap is sewn on
4) Size stamp only... common in SS M43's but highly unusual in Heer
5) The lining material
6) The wool --- highly doubt it was made prior to 1945.
7) The way the pull-down loops are sewn
8) Rolls of M43 traps are still around as well as boxes of buttons. $70 worth of material and an experienced tailor could net you $1200.
9) The hat is actually better made than an original. These were being cranked out by the 100,000's. Looks like someone made this one very precisely
Bottom line. If the owner is happy... That is all that matters....Comment
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A very wise and experienced collector recently made this statment which is relevent to this thread in more ways than one;
" These M43 caps have taken on so much folklore that the community may have lost perspective on the wider range of originals and honed in on a very narrow "textbook" standard we do not see done to other items. "
Please gentlemen lets not lose our perspective in these matters. There are most definitely original caps with
- buttons sewn on like that plus the buttons on this example are dated "42"
-traps applied to the cap in that manner of flip over then sew down
- very often Heer M43's have an RB or RF number but not always
-there are pre-May 45 with pull down loops sewn like that.
Surprisingly a couple of the features that do cause me real concern have not even had a mention. We must all however, maintain perspective with the judgements we make,
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Of course, one is free to ignore the advice he receives here.Comment
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