SS M43 Panzer Cap

[Overlord1944]

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[90th Light]

It has been a while since I added something to this thread but I like this SS M43 with HBT lining that member "Kraut" (Guido) has just posted in the SS section asking about the trap being original.


Interesting very short type of button holes which I am hoping Guido will post a close up image of ??? ( Is there in fact a button hole at all ? If there is not then that combined with another feature will confirm where it was made ).

The trap could be reapplied to this cap to look like a machine stitch ??? Then again it might be done on a sewing machine with a foot treadle,

Chris

[90th Light]

There is a nice feature to this cap in these images,

Chris

[90th Light]

More nice features i like to see.

The question however, is this a German made example or is it made some where else before May 1945 like Italy or Austria ???

Chris

[90th Light]

More reading and examples here;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=1#post7140957

Chris

[colt45s]

got a green one with skull today

[colt45s]

[colt45s]

whatcha think???

[David T]

I dont think very highly of that insignia/ trap.

[Lenny W]

whatcha think???

Fake

[BenVK]

I'm bringing this old thread back to life because of the recent "discussion" about SS caps with HBT linings.

Plus here's another.

[BenVK]

Robert's words are worth repeating in my humble opinion.

I believe the community has defaulted to the easiest type cap to authenticate, that being the one US troops picked up in good numbers: the Dachau M43. It is the one you see the least in pictures (you really have to hunt), but the one we cling to as being "textbook".

...or stuck in the world of us vet bring backs as the only real thing

Only some vet bring-backs are considered original. Time and again, other collectors have posted examples that are direct vet acquisitions, and they are dismissed. Chris' most recent posting is an example of this.

As collectors, we are throwing many good examples out the door. We don't know what we don't know about these black M43's - we need to take a step back and consider what we are dismissing.

[BenVK]

I've spent several hours researching these caps over the last few days and specifically looking for period photos.

They are hard to find!

However, I did find some interesting things.

Firstly, check out this short but fascinating clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnSupm-ZC7o

Firstly, these TK guys were very lucky not to be shot on the spot!
Then you have the M43 caps.
It seems to me that both caps are the same pattern and construction, it's only the insignia that's different. The Trap is obviously much darker than the cap it's sewn to so can only be a Pz trap, agreed? Also worthy of note is the close up of the cap and the flap under the buttons because it has beveled corners. The other cap looks to have the same feature.
The TK on the collar tab looks to be a "Dachau" pattern one but I'm not that familiar with SS tabs in all fairness but let's assume for the moment that it is. It's therefore fair to assume that the caps are also from the Dachau stores.
So two M43 caps, possibly or even probably from Dachau, being worn on the same day and that have two different styles of insignia.
Interesting eh?