DAK Cap Good, Bad or Ugly???
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Hello Ed,
I like this cap but don't like the insignia at all. I'm sure that the insignia are all fake (including the soutache).
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Hi I agree with Mark on the insignia, except the soutache appears to part of the original manufacture of the cap, so how can the cap be 'good'?Originally posted by Mark Gibson View Post
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Jerry, I actually had a go at restoring a cap with soutache once (now removed) and was very surprised by the results of my amateur sewing, which was very similar to this cap. As for the cap, it is hard to know exactly if something is good or bad from internet photographs, nothing like holding it in hand. From the photographs the actual cap has some good points that I like, whilst in my eyes the insignia appear to be fakes. Not a huge surprise considering that there are many caps with removed insignia out there.Originally posted by VonBond View Post
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Hi Mark, I know what your saying and the cap itself does not look too bad and as with so much of this stuff, hands on is always best. It might be possible to see the re-sowing of the soutache in the hand.Originally posted by Mark Gibson View Post
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Thanks for the help and now what to do with it??? Yank the insignia off and leave the soutache for later perhaps? Just want to have it correct when it is sold (if it's real). EdComment
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LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IS ALL ORIGINAL.... ALL FAKE .... OR A HYBRID !!!
It could rank up there as 1 dumb thing to do IF this is a unique ORIGINAL..Maybe Ralph Heinz could take a look at it ..he has close to seen it all in tropical and a life long student of DAK ....JMHO Billbert
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Ed,
Does the insignia sewing thread pass right through the red lining material? If so, question answered - remove all insignia (carefully). If not, the whole cap is thrown into question....
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DAK Cap Good, Bad or Ugly???
Hello,
Eagle and cockade are reapplied. And please note the colors of the threads. The eagle's thread has a thicker width, tan/beige color. The cockade is sewn with thin, white thread. Both threads are substantially different from the norm. Soutache looks newly applied to the cap.
IMVHO: run like a frightened deer.
ChristopherLast edited by MilitaryCollect; 04-06-2010, 04:06 PM.Comment
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I think this is very good advice on this cap.Originally posted by billbert View PostImo
LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IS ALL ORIGINAL.... ALL FAKE .... OR A HYBRID !!!
It could rank up there as 1 dumb thing to do IF this is a unique ORIGINAL..Maybe Ralph Heinz could take a look at it ..he has close to seen it all in tropical and a life long student of DAK ....JMHO Billbert
Is that bad insignia or a bad photo of good insignia ???? ?????? ?????
The first thing I would do is post clearer images of the eagle, cockade and and soutache.
What I see is a blurry bevo DAK/ tropical WH eagle and a first model cockade.
As for the soutache it may infact be period, This type of soutache may have been used post war but it was also used on LAGO made tropical caps during the war and else where.
If there is no makers name in the cap then this may well be a LAGO example because some of the LAGOs seem to have used an ink that washed out quickly. A LAGO maker would also explain any differences in the types of thread used on the same cap because each stage of production was done by a different member at different times.
Basically from these images I can not say either way for sure, the cap appears to be a good one with the correct grommets but the images of the insignia are hopeless and just not clear enough to say one way or the other.
What is needed at this stage is clearer pictures and close ups of the eagle & cockade. REMOVE NOTHING UNTIL YOU HAVE CHECKED THE INSIGNIA CAREFULLY. You might just have a 100% correct LAGO tropical WH M40 there then again it might be true that the badges are crap. DO NOTHING UNTIL YOU ARE SURE.
As always "Billbert's" observations are on to it and his advise good.
Please post more images & close up's
Chris
p.s. the more I look at it the more I like it and I think a clearer image & close up of the eagle may reveal that all is in fact correct but we will wait and see. From what little I can see, the cockade looks to be a very nice desirable first model. (Then again the tricks a computer image can play !)Last edited by 90th Light; 04-06-2010, 08:03 PM.Comment
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Thanks for some added incite.. the eagle looks correct to me except its got some wear to it that makes it look like the crappy embroidered nightmare often seen.. look at the cockade stitch how it almost dips into the body stitching..look too again at the coloration of brighter newness where material the soutache dips into the bill.. The soutache looks like the crappy pastel colored 80 s stuff used on the higher end fakes from eurpoe with correct insgnia but they were poorly size marked only..this one has definitely a shadow of makers info THANKS for reminding me about the early LAGO caps and their unusual colors..The fact it was traveling with those other 2 caps doesnt bode well for this one BUT drop me a line when it goes on the Bazzaar cause I wanna be 1st in line to buy it !! JMHO Billbert
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