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    This thread just keeps getting better and better.

    I have noted what Ben has shared about the Russian capture stamps and thank him again for some good work. Very interesting to say the least but not fully conclusive. I mean when where the stamps applied ??? and by who ???

    My example has no Russian capture marks at all and the eagle on my one is factory applied in the correct style for Carl Halfar where as every time I see one with an SS/ WH trap or SS badges they are hand applied which again could have been done at any time.

    Not dismissing what Ben has stated but I just do not feel that the Russian stamps have been proved beyond a doubt. I have seen a perfectly good Statni cap with that Russian capture mark in it. The stamp may be wrong but the cap was not.

    Those are two interesting caps that Richard has posted and yes he is right, another version of the Carl Halfar stamp. A minor variation which seems to be what Halfar did. If they are reproduction caps then you would think that the faker would have the decency to be consistent. The more I see of these caps the more I like them but I bet a few reading this are saying the opposite.

    Now what about Franesco's SS side cap ??? Another possible Carl Halfar field cap to study and guess what Halfar type materials exterior and interior for a Panzer version. Makes one wonder if the sidecap which Jacques posted (numbers 170 & 171) may in fact have possibilities although I do suspect that the badges on Jacques's example have been reapplied (and lets not forget also about my LW shoulder board with that type of lining material).

    I agree we are starting to see quite a few examples of these "soft T- shirt" lined Carl Halfar caps but I again ask if these are not the real deal then where are all the real caps Halfar made ??? I mean 2 factories of good size and large capacity (one at Berlin, one at Genesen) plus a cottage industry of suppliers. The real deal field caps have to be some where after all they were a cap factory were they not ? If these are fakes then where are the real ones ? There do not seem to be that many late war visors by Halfar out so there has to be some field caps they made some where. The demand for tropical examples was off the boil by late 1943 and sidecaps were no longer as popular so they must of had to make some M43's. After all the Berlin factory pretty well survived the war in tact producing right up to 1945 and was up and running again after the war in no time.

    Show me an unquestionable real M43 by Carl Halfar which is different or better/ more original than mine. Gets us all thinking does it not,

    Chris
    Last edited by 90th Light; 04-01-2009, 06:52 AM.

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      These caps just keep on coming don't they?!

      Chris, my concern about these Soviet stamps is this:
      The stamps are bogus, I'm convinced of that. PM me if you want more info. In the meantime, here an original stamp of this design to compare. Found in a Budionovka hat.
      So, either all the stamped caps are genuine originals but have all passed through the same source who applied the dodgy stamps or, a batch of reproduction caps was made and some were stamped and some were not. What's the most likely scenario?
      Maybe yours is the only original out of all these, I don't know. I wouldn't hold my breath though based on all that this thread has thrown up now.
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        Just find these pictures in my files.
        Look at the lining.
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                    Originally posted by 90th Light View Post
                    This thread just keeps getting better and better.


                    Chris
                    It shoooow do, enlightening, educational and enjoyable!!

                    B. N. Singer

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                      Originally posted by B. N. Singer View Post
                      It shoooow do, enlightening, educational and enjoyable!!

                      B. N. Singer
                      Well this is a pleasant surprise. Not the usual one liner. Just goes to show how this thread is worth the read and has indeed got us all thinking.

                      Regards, Chris

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                        Originally posted by BenVK View Post
                        These caps just keep on coming don't they?!

                        Chris, my concern about these Soviet stamps is this:
                        The stamps are bogus, I'm convinced of that. PM me if you want more info. In the meantime, here an original stamp of this design to compare. Found in a Budionovka hat.
                        So, either all the stamped caps are genuine originals but have all passed through the same source who applied the dodgy stamps or, a batch of reproduction caps was made and some were stamped and some were not. What's the most likely scenario?
                        Maybe yours is the only original out of all these, I don't know. I wouldn't hold my breath though based on all that this thread has thrown up now.
                        Will send a PM soon Ben,

                        Chris

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                          I have a similar marked cap. It was bought from a museum in moscow almost 15years ago. My friend bought maybe 20caps and 20wrappers. From the museums displays and from the storage room. The seller was the museum manager.
                          He dident only buy cloth items, also many badges and medals.

                          Ca 50% of the cloth items had no insignias..

                          Many of the caps and wrappers was marked with many different russian stamps and markings. Both from the museum and earlier on.

                          I dont know if this means a **** but many of the items bought was and is textbook in every way. And some of them looked pretty much like the caps shown here..

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                            Here is the lining of my Pz em sidecap
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                              This certainly gets more and more interesting. WR Jim

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                                Originally posted by Hasse.M View Post
                                I have a similar marked cap. It was bought from a museum in moscow almost 15years ago. My friend bought maybe 20caps and 20wrappers. From the museums displays and from the storage room. The seller was the museum manager.
                                He dident only buy cloth items, also many badges and medals.

                                Ca 50% of the cloth items had no insignias..

                                Many of the caps and wrappers was marked with many different russian stamps and markings. Both from the museum and earlier on.

                                I dont know if this means a **** but many of the items bought was and is textbook in every way. And some of them looked pretty much like the caps shown here..

                                Very interesting. What was the name of the museum? I'm positive you and your mate were not the only people to buy from the same guy.

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