What is up with this cap?

[Thorn]

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I'm confused now about this visor. It looks like a TR but doesn't have the band and no glue residue indicating that there was ever a band.

The insignia ( cocade) is not sticking out like the Weimar era ones that I have seen. It also appears that my visor has better wool material than the Weimar era visors.
I don't know what to think now...LOL!

Thanks for all your help!

Thorn

[billbert]

The band color is correct for weimar and early 3rd reich era 33-34 times..I think the cap was used by a bahnschutz person early on or vet added insignia..good headgear library will answer many of these questions..Billbert

[Thorn]

The band color is correct for weimar and early 3rd reich era 33-34 times..I think the cap was used by a bahnschutz person early on or vet added insignia..good headgear library will answer many of these questions..Billbert

Thanks Billbert!
I haven't seen you around in awhile. Thanks for the info.

Thorn

[NickG]

The band color is correct for weimar and early 3rd reich era 33-34 times..I think the cap was used by a bahnschutz person early on or vet added insignia..good headgear library will answer many of these questions..Billbert

I was also thinking perhaps somekind of Bahnschutz (transitional) combination of insignia if indeed the wreath has been on it forever...BUT standard bahnschutz is blue-ish green wool... Who knows? A lot can happen in 65-70 years! Intriguing piece. Personally I would replace the wreath, if it looks like it was (vet) added somewhere down the line!

[Thorn]

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I was also thinking perhaps somekind of Bahnschutz (transitional) combination of insignia if indeed the wreath has been on it forever...BUT standard bahnschutz is blue-ish green wool... Who knows? A lot can happen in 65-70 years! Intriguing piece. Personally I would replace the wreath, if it looks like it was (vet) added somewhere down the line!

Nick,

Thanks for all the inputs. I was also thinking about replacing the wreath but now I'm confused. LOL!

The other visor has a strange eagle on it. Where the eagles swithched between theese visors? I'm not a pro at visors and I only know the basics.

I'm posting a picture of the other visor. Look at that eagle.

Thorn

[Kurt]

The maker is Clemens Wagner. Has anyone seen a TR cap with this CW logo? I'm leaning towards Weimar era. or very early TR.

Matt

They did exist in the TR era... This one is a later model for a Wehrmacht recruiter with a darker green band but it still has the old Clemens Wagner logo:

[Kurt]

Close-up:

[Kurt]

outside:

[billbert]

Just coming out of the depression may play a roll in the use of this cap..also pioneer troops did have eisenbahn units and maybe thats where there bahnschutz wreath comes into play..out in the boonies where money and regulations didnt flow so quickly this might have been someones ends to a means of a servicable hat...JMHO Billbert

[wessel]

The first cap has a Bahnschutzpolizei wreath, and the second cap has a Bahnschutzpolizei eagle (the 'raised' feathers on the top being distinctive from an Army eagle).
It looks as though the 'vet' has swopped over the insignia in some way, as it appears to be too much of a coincidence to have 2 parts of relatively rare BSP insignia appearing on 2 caps from the same source.

[DonC]

My gut reaction is that the Pionier visor is Weimar era, but I have never seen ventilation grommets on a Heer cap, even Reichsheer. That's a mystery to me...

Don

[Kreager]

They did exist in the TR era... This one is a later model for a Wehrmacht recruiter with a darker green band but it still has the old Clemens Wagner logo:

Thanks Kurt

[Thorn]

The first cap has a Bahnschutzpolizei wreath, and the second cap has a Bahnschutzpolizei eagle (the 'raised' feathers on the top being distinctive from an Army eagle).
It looks as though the 'vet' has swopped over the insignia in some way, as it appears to be too much of a coincidence to have 2 parts of relatively rare BSP insignia appearing on 2 caps from the same source.

So I should switch the eagles on these visors?

Thorn

[NickG]

My gut reaction is that the Pionier visor is Weimar era, but I have never seen ventilation grommets on a Heer cap, even Reichsheer. That's a mystery to me...

Don

Indeed not the norm grommets on Heer visors, but here's an exception in a period image, showing vent holes on a Heer badged visor!
I say "yes" swap eagles Thorn!

Nick

[Arran]

I was just following a visor on eBay which was of this same configuration, except for an officer- fieldgray, with a green band and black piping, yet the cockade/wreath was a hand embroidered bullion Bahnshutzpolizei variety on dark green. I don't know what this cap is, but I have a feeling that it is correct just as it is...