Artillery Crusher

[NTZ]

But Dave what are we doing? We only pick on WW-SS color piped crushers because they are rare or because they are being sold through Europe.

[Kreager]

Karl I to agree with the NTZ, Dave and Paul. Hopefully you can get your money back on this one.

[BenVK]

Nothing to add really, get your money back if you can.

[billbert]

You will rarely IF EVER see the orange enlisted liner in a period original MANUFACTURED crusher..you will sometimes see enlisted ranks PERIOD adapted to the crusher look/style with or without the leather/lacquer visor changed..Sadly your example has neither and needs your money back..Good learning experience... Billbert

[Karl S.]

Thanks everyone for your help, I'll try to get that refund.

[Beau Brummel.]

But Dave what are we doing? We only pick on WW-SS color piped crushers because they are rare or because they are being sold through Europe.

Pretty piss poor attempt If made to deceive, they haven't even trimmed the excess material under the sweat band. Could It possibly be a period conversion done badly?

[ErichK]

Where is the band stiffener Karl? If there is no buckram or other I'd be very concerned. Shouldn't the underside of the visor be crosshatched? This visor looks like boot leather.

[Kreager]

Shouldn't the underside of the visor be crosshatched? This visor looks like boot leather.

Erich, Leather visors found on Alter Art caps are not crosshatched. This visor was added to deceive the buyer, in thinking it was a Alter Art cap.

[NTZ]

Could It possibly be a period conversion done badly?

Not a snowballs chance in hell.

[Karl S.]

Thanks again everyone, seller and myself came to a agreement and cap is on the way back to him

[Karl S.]

For what it's worth the reason I was fooled is #1 I never handled one of these and #2 it was all period materials except for possibly the visor. I learn something new just about everyday when it comes to this hobby.

[NTZ]

For what it's worth the reason I was fooled is #1 I never handled one of these and #2 it was all period materials except for possibly the visor. I learn something new just about everyday when it comes to this hobby.

Yes, the cap itself is certainly period so it does make it a bit harded to tell.

[NTZ]

Guy is so concerned about my book if I were discussing this one in the book this what I would say.

1. The cap started life as a contract cap as noted by the lining and teller form. We know contract caps were sold “as-is” so any period modification would have to have been by.

a. A period haberdasher, which we could rule out by the quality of work or
b. By the owner himself, which would certainly been highly unlikely if not downright impossible? I don’t think they were selling upgrade kits to include leather visors and insignia.

2. The insignia is machine sewn when all known period pieces that I am aware of were hand sewn. To machine sew the frame and lining would have had to have been at least partially removed. Why go through the trouble when common practice was hand sewn anyway?
3. The cap looks to have the frame completely removed. This certainly was not a period practice on upgrades or “crusher type” caps. This would also account for the lack of a solid base. Again if a period haberdasher did it he certainly would have either let the pasteboard stay as is or added buckram for support.

[Mike Davis]

2. The insignia is machine sewn when all known period pieces that I am aware of were hand sewn. To machine sew the frame and lining would have had to have been at least partially removed. Why go through the trouble when common practice was hand sewn anyway?

Not correct. I have had several examples with machine-sewn insignia. May still have a couple around here somewhere. Here a Pionier example with machine-applied wreath.

[NTZ]

Not correct. I have had several examples with machine-sewn insignia. May still have a couple around here somewhere.

On a "Crusher type"? I could see maybe on a crusher built as a crusher from the maker it happening but a maker retro fit aka crusher type I have never seen. T