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    #1

    rare DAF Werkscharer Schirmmütze...opinions please

    Hi Guys,

    What do you of this one?

    Thnx in advance






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    Maybe....then again, maybe not.

    Here is the problem that I see with a lot of "Werkschar" visors.
    A lot of them appear to be regular DAF "Fest" visors "upgraded" to Werkscharen by removing the Fest oval and replacing it with the eagle and wreath (and then a $200 hat magically becomes a $1500 hat).

    On what I consider a true Werkschar visor, there is no "ribbing" to the band, and the Oakleaves are larger (and hence, fewer). Further, the true Werkschar visors are made like a standard Extramutzen--they are padded with strong stiffeners and springs--not flimsy like the Fest visors. They also usually have your standard WH Vulkanfiber visor w/o the pique strip.

    I am not saying that there could not have been Fest caps that were "upgraded" by the owner--its just that if you want "textbook", this wouldn't be it.

    The other problem I have with this hat is the use of an M-29 eagle--the Werkchar visors came out in 1938, and should have the M-37 eagle.

    I had a less than stonemint Werkschar which I let go--I will see if I can find pix to explain what I am talking about.
    NEC SOLI CEDIT

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      #3
      thnx very much for your opinion!
      I had my thoughts also. That's why I started this thread.

      I would love to see the pics of your (ex)visor

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        #4
        Originally posted by stonemint View Post
        Maybe....then again, maybe not.

        Here is the problem that I see with a lot of "Werkschar" visors.
        A lot of them appear to be regular DAF "Fest" visors "upgraded" to Werkscharen by removing the Fest oval and replacing it with the eagle and wreath (and then a $200 hat magically becomes a $1500 hat).

        On what I consider a true Werkschar visor, there is no "ribbing" to the band, and the Oakleaves are larger (and hence, fewer). Further, the true Werkschar visors are made like a standard Extramutzen--they are padded with strong stiffeners and springs--not flimsy like the Fest visors. They also usually have your standard WH Vulkanfiber visor w/o the pique strip.

        I am not saying that there could not have been Fest caps that were "upgraded" by the owner--its just that if you want "textbook", this wouldn't be it.

        The other problem I have with this hat is the use of an M-29 eagle--the Werkchar visors came out in 1938, and should have the M-37 eagle.

        I had a less than stonemint Werkschar which I let go--I will see if I can find pix to explain what I am talking about.

        The Bird is RZM marked and the mütze was bought on a flee market in 1970 in Germany. The seller also got an NSDAP visor in the same condition (not peaked)

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          #5
          Hi,
          here-with a regular with vulkanfiber visor and stiff "Sattelform" Werkschar-Mütze.
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          Last edited by Pascal Bernhard; 03-27-2008, 03:32 PM.
          Straßburger / When in doubt do without...
          - Looking for : SS TK «Oberbayern» flatwire CT.

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            #6
            and an other level...
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            Straßburger / When in doubt do without...
            - Looking for : SS TK «Oberbayern» flatwire CT.

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              #7
              Originally posted by stonemint View Post
              Maybe....then again, maybe not.

              Here is the problem that I see with a lot of "Werkschar" visors.
              A lot of them appear to be regular DAF "Fest" visors "upgraded" to Werkscharen by removing the Fest oval and replacing it with the eagle and wreath (and then a $200 hat magically becomes a $1500 hat).

              On what I consider a true Werkschar visor, there is no "ribbing" to the band, and the Oakleaves are larger (and hence, fewer). Further, the true Werkschar visors are made like a standard Extramutzen--they are padded with strong stiffeners and springs--not flimsy like the Fest visors. They also usually have your standard WH Vulkanfiber visor w/o the pique strip.

              I am not saying that there could not have been Fest caps that were "upgraded" by the owner--its just that if you want "textbook", this wouldn't be it.

              The other problem I have with this hat is the use of an M-29 eagle--the Werkchar visors came out in 1938, and should have the M-37 eagle.

              I had a less than stonemint Werkschar which I let go--I will see if I can find pix to explain what I am talking about.
              I agree totaly with this opinion !
              Straßburger / When in doubt do without...
              - Looking for : SS TK «Oberbayern» flatwire CT.

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                #8
                Pascal--textbook Werkscharen, and the textbook definition of "stonemint"!
                NEC SOLI CEDIT

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                  #9
                  Here is mine with bullion cockade.
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                    #10
                    DAF tag
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                      #11
                      Wessel: Yours is more consistent with the period than the original hat that started this thread, in that yours has a later eagle (actually a State eagle, but correctly in gold), and I like your bullion wreath. As I said supra, we cannot discount these as being original--they could be transitional pieces, or a case of where the Werkschar leader did not want to spend the RM for a new hat.

                      I have also done an informal survey--every visor I have seen for Werkschar that has the Vulkanfiber visor and is made by Pekuro. Further, there are no specific regs that I can find describing the band, weaving, and style of oakleaves.

                      Here is a nice Pekuro on Gerard's site right now:
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                      NEC SOLI CEDIT

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                        #12
                        This looks almost exactly like the one I sold back around 1985 or so--even down to the placement of the mothing (wouldn't be the first time I saw one of my old hats end up on another site!). It is another Pekuro:
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                        NEC SOLI CEDIT

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                          #13
                          Side view of above:
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                          NEC SOLI CEDIT

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                            #14
                            Here is a fest visor for comparison (Pascal, I am too lazy to take a pic of mine, so I borrowed yours ):
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                            NEC SOLI CEDIT

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                              #15
                              Ok. Very nice hats!!
                              But the visor of Wessel proves that it not always has to be an Vulkanfiber visor. I have have my thought of the Cockade. It looks a little too big. Is there an RZM stamp on the back of a DAF cockade?

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