Gray Piped S S Officer Visor Cap

[NTZ]

From what I can remember the stiffener is kind of like a snake, metal wire with multiple S-shape with hardened cheesecloth. From what I remember the sweatband was the same type but the exteior was in that cheap melton wool. You know the kind, the moth magnet material.

[stonemint]

I have some saved Marke-Odd interiors on my hard-drive--here is one that lacks the common cross-stitching (I don't recall where it came from):

[stonemint]

Another with the cross-stitching:

[stonemint]

I believe this is another version:

[stonemint]

The Moran-Maguire headgear book (vol 1) also has a "Marke Odd" on pages 106-107 with the same cross stitching as Bobs--they have pictured a propaganda-piped WH visor that looks to have an Alkor sweatband (I'd post it, but my scanner is acting up).

[Glenn McInnes]

I always thought these cross stitched visors by this maker (with snake like wire stiffener and thick piping) were original.

Have also seen a few with very stiff,brittle alkor sweatbands.



Glenn

[Dave Kane]

I have no doubt that some are original and my 'thought' while collecting visor caps was that these with the quilt type liner were WINTER caps....

It doesn't however change the fact that many, many caps were produced post war utilizing the (leftover?) quilted liners.

[Arran]

Dave- which components of the post-war hats you've seen used original materials? Most often, when original materials were used, it was by the original manufacturers...these fakes can be some of the hardest to detect!

[Dave Kane]

Arran, most commonly found were liners and visors...

[Arran]

So what, then, was the give-away? The fabric of the the cap itself? The insignia? This type of lining has always appealed to me...

Cheers,
Arran.

[Dave Kane]

Little manufacturing techniques....then the other items to include fabric etc.!

[Dr. Strangelove]

Is a SB up photo coming soon?

[RUHL13]

If this visor is real, its beyond RARE!
Ofcourse your other pieces of headgear are rare themselves.
Do you remember Bob where you got it?
Regards,
Gary

[Bob Coleman]

If this visor is real, its beyond RARE!
Ofcourse your other pieces of headgear are rare themselves.
Do you remember Bob where you got it?
Regards,
Gary

Gary-
Yes, I know the provenance on this hat from it's inception in to the collection field 35+ years ago. A local Chicago area collector had it in his collection for many years. When he sold it, it went to another noted collector who is now deceased. I posted this hat for those who want to learn and see a rare item. I did not post it to find out if it is real. I know that answer.
The trademark is seldom encountered and I have seen only two other identical linings in 50 years of collecting. One was in the collection of a noted collector now departed from this Forum, unfortunately. The other recently was purchased from the family of a deceased veteran by an old friend. I consider talk of numerous fakes of this maker to be humbug and nothing more. If valid, I, or some of my esteemed experienced colleagues would have seen fakes of these over the years. It certainly does not pay for the fakers to make a perfect period prototype, one of a kind fake. I would hope that the true intent of these online forums will be to learn. lately, they have have turned in to personal bashing sessions. Read the thread on S S Pekuro visor caps. There has been an urban legend that they never existed. I have known this to be false as I vet purchased a wonderful black Pekuro in the 60's with the 800 silver insignia that also, according to many, never existed.

[N.C. Wyeth]

Bob,

Did you have a chance to get better pics of the insignia on this cap yet?

I would really love to see them!

Brad