Let's Define "Textbook"

[phild]

As usual I will make another coment on the rayon blue piped cap above.

This is a very early cap as evidenced by the shape and the esp. the color of the band...this cap probably pre-dates 1936...more likely around 34 or 35. Many experts have long said (and written in the "textbooks") that rayon piping was not used until 1940 or even 42. I have seen it on WWI items ( I don't collect in a vacum) and I knew that it was used in the 30's as well.

Unless this cap has been period re-piped I think that this will put to rest the idea that rayon piping was not used in pre-war Germany!

[NTZ]

This is from a dealer site but it is your late war Schellenberg. Front seam, pressed paper visor and sweatband. Cap top and base same material. There we hit them all.

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[Wolften]

Ha Nick !

Here you are your new cap !
Very nice cap, and good price for you !

your student
Wolften.

[Sayle F]

paper visor

Pressed paper visor on a crusher with small ridge to the front. And in regards to the rayon piped visor I posted it was definitely not re-piped. It was made that way.

[Marc Walker]

Nick "NTZ" PM'd me and asked if I would post this late war Pz visor as it has some of the same features as his Schellenberg.
From the outside, with the exception of the metal wreath, it looks like the same cap.
The maker is Erwin Freudemann.
It has the pressed paper visor with a raised edge and painted black on the inside. The paper sweatband in dark grey.
It also has the band seam in the front and hidden under the wreath.
Another neat feature is the super heavy chin cord. Note the two thread stitches holding the cords together in the middle. Probably a factory unissued feature that keeps them together prior to installation. They would have to be cut to move the sliders.

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[stonemint]

Mark--that Panzer hat is a beauty, paper visor or not (and my previous offer to buy it still stands!). I believe I read somewhere (or was once told) that Freudemann was a distributer in Berlin, not a manufacturer, so it may very well be a Schellenberg, but Nick is the expert on these, and I graciously defer to him.

[NTZ]

Well stonemint I am no more of an expert than you and the ten or so other guys that have the visor bug. By the way glad to have you here. It looks like our little area of interest is going to liven up a bit. I would say the possibility of a Schellenberg tie is pretty good. This visor and the late war Schellenberg are about stitch for stitch dead ringers. I know nothing about Freudemann other than the research Wilkins did. Erwin Freudemann may have well been a maker or a distributor. Wilkins only lists his source as Uniformen-Markt. Since Schellenberg was also in Berlin there could be some tie. If we could find an earlier example of a Freudemann we could solve that pretty easy. Early war Schellenberg’s are pretty distinct. If there are similarities than we know he was a Schellenberg distributor. Anyone out there have another Freudemann they could post?