Salty Bergmutze

[Edelweiss]

But the earlier one looks so much better!!

A question of taste for sure, and it would be IMO an heresy to remove this one if you're not 100 % sure it was added at one point after 1945 to restore the cap.

The model of insigna on your cap (3rd type) was worn on Bergs as early as feb. 1939, and I see no problem at all with it here ; and IMO a second model (the one you showed in post #12) won't add much to the item, except maybe the sentiment you made a mistake in removing the original one. If it was a trapezoid insigna, you could have some undestandable reasons to do so Ben (even if...), but not in this case at all.

My two cents.

PS : no, it wasn't that auction, but you were right in saying it could have be.
Well done !

[BenVK]

Edelweiss, the cap was stripped of insignia when I got it, like most of the headgear coming out of the woodwork in Germany.
I already had this 3rd type badge laying around at home and I stitched it on myself.

[Edelweiss]

PPS : sorry Ben, I didn't read your 1st post here in the detail before answering...
Point taken regarding your restoration and your tastes. But anyway, my feelings are still valid : you didn't make a mistake with this insigna, moreover given the quality of the cap's cloth here : both are nicely homogeneous. But well, nothing is really unfoundable, and one nice 2nd model T insigna will surely cross your path one of these days, if you absolutely want to see one of those up there.

[wurfmine]

Hat

Beautiful Cap!, but isn't that a 4th pattern t shape though.


Mark

[djpool]

Nice score. That one has a nice shape to it. jim

[merdock]

Hi,
Whats the difference between the 1st > 4th patterns anyway.
A humble Merdock

[Edelweiss]

Well, I use to see the 1st pattern as the grey backed one, the second and third patterns are visible in this thread. But one can have a different view on things. Despite the fact that I don't see well what a 4th pattern T-shaped insigna could be ?

[djpool]

Heres a thread just started on the SS forum. Nice Heer T eagle was part of the grouping.jim

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.net/foru...d.php?t=162391

[B. N. Singer]

[QUOTE=Edelweiss]Well, I use to see the 1st pattern as the grey backed one, the second and third patterns are visible in this thread.



Yes, this is what I had believed.

B. N. Singer

[wurfmine]

T Forms

Hi, I consider there to be 4 seperate patterns of T form EM insignia as with breast eagles:

1935: White on Grey

1936: White on Dark Green

1938: Grey on Dark Green

1940: Grey on Fieldgrey around May - June of1940

I can post pics if needed, Mark

[Edelweiss]

Yes please post them Mark !

[B. N. Singer]

[QUOTE=wurfmine]Hi, I consider there to be 4 seperate patterns of T form EM insignia as with breast eagles:

1935: White on Grey

1936: White on Dark Green

1938: Grey on Dark Green

1940: Grey on Fieldgrey around May - June of1940




OK Yes, (not sure of the timing) the two dark greens. My feeble memory Excellent for you!

B. N. Singer

[Edelweiss]

With a cloud of milk, please

The timing is not really that important, is it ? Anyway, is it the "missing" link, an early grey T-eagle ?

One can also call it an "earl-grey T" maybe ?

[wurfmine]

T Forms

Hi, I think it is important; the BM shown is more commonly encountered w/ one of the first 3 patterns but not the 4th which if my sources are correct was not issued until mid '40. but anyway here they are.

[wurfmine]

1936 pattern

1936