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**Kurt Doench** · 03-24-2005, 05:48 PM

David,

Not wanting to appear overtly patrician

, but yea, it had struck me that my roundel looked somewhat overhoffy. By the way, I'll be in Hampshire again end of April. If you can fit it in, I'd be delighted to see you.

Cheers,
Karl

Originally posted by Renfield

Karl

Actually and in my distinctly plebian way, I would however assume that your buckle is the fruits of a marriage between O & C and B u. N.

Regards,

David

**Kurt Doench** · 03-24-2005, 09:09 PM

Chad,

It's really just another variant. Dare I tell you that I paid all of the equivalent of $20 for mine? Well I just did

All the best,

Karl

Originally posted by Chad Williams

Karl...I have found another buckle exactly like yours, with the second marking in the same place, but it is tooo expensive...he and I are working on other deals so who knows, I may end up with it.....thanks again for posting it though, it is a great buckle!!!

check out the thread I just posted about the backwards R in rzm and give me your thoughts..chad

**Chad Williams** · 03-24-2005, 10:31 PM

Karl...I think I just cried a little bit

that is awsome, as jealous as I am, I love to hear when other collectors find a great deal!!!! especially on a really great buckle!! Chad

**David North** · 03-25-2005, 03:55 AM

Karl

I had always suspected that you were actually von Ortmann.

Perhaps Christian and yourself have tried in the past to identify a quite specific HJ roundel design to a quite specific maker, although this has always confused me (easily done these days). The prime manufacturers and to include Assmann, Overhoff and Dicke do appear to have a unique design, although the problem occurs when scrutinising the numerous others.

A guaranteed inducement to going ga ga.

Regards,

David

p.s. will speak to you privately about meeting up next month in Hampshire, assuming of course that I do not have a deja vu experience from last year when if you recall, the local scallys hoofed down my back door at three in the morning and stole the cars.

**Filip** · 01-10-2007, 12:05 PM

need help posting attachment

Would like to post some pics of my crossover buckle , but unable to do so.
Would appreciate any help

**Chad Williams** · 01-10-2007, 08:04 PM

photos posted for Filip

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**Chad Williams** · 01-10-2007, 08:05 PM

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**Chad Williams** · 01-10-2007, 08:05 PM

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**Chad Williams** · 01-10-2007, 08:06 PM

Filip
that buckle is in wonderful condition!!!!! beautiful..Chad

**Filip** · 01-10-2007, 08:26 PM

crossover

That’s what I meant when I said it was a piece of beauty. Actually, this buckle is a part of a belt/shoulder strap set. All metal is RZM marked, naturally.
Thanks for help, Chad

**Dave C.** · 01-23-2007, 08:28 AM

Here is one I've had a for a while

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**Dave C.** · 01-23-2007, 08:29 AM

Reverse

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**Filip** · 03-11-2007, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Karl Ortmann View Post

And here's mine. As you will be aware, the conversion was done officially on order of the Reichsjugendführung in 1938. Solely authorized to carry it out were Assmann, Overhoff and Dicke.

Regards,

Karl

Hello everyone,

Check out this Franke & Co conversion buckle:

http://forum.blockhaus.ru/index.php?...=post&id=28730

http://forum.blockhaus.ru/index.php?...=post&id=28729

How do you explain it's existence?

Filip

**Chad Williams** · 03-11-2007, 11:30 PM

Filip
the Dj buckle was decomissioned in place of the Hitler youth buckle in 1938...all youth both Hj and DJ would wear the HJ buckle, and if you so chose you could have your Dj buckle converted fro a small fee instead of buying a new HJ ... there were 3 firms approved to do the conversion... so there are 3 distinct Hj rondels which were aplied over the DJ buckle faces. I will try and update this thread with the new HJ / DJ conversions that I have now, when I authored this thread I had 3 , and I now have about a dozen. Will take some time over the next week or so and try to post more. hope this helped explain it..Chad

**Filip** · 03-12-2007, 10:50 AM

Hello Chad,

If I understand you correctly, this Franke buckle conversion was a custom job and not a factory one?
THX
Filip

Originally posted by Chad Williams View Post

Filip
the Dj buckle was decomissioned in place of the Hitler youth buckle in 1938...all youth both Hj and DJ would wear the HJ buckle, and if you so chose you could have your Dj buckle converted fro a small fee instead of buying a new HJ ... there were 3 firms approved to do the conversion... so there are 3 distinct Hj rondels which were aplied over the DJ buckle faces. I will try and update this thread with the new HJ / DJ conversions that I have now, when I authored this thread I had 3 , and I now have about a dozen. Will take some time over the next week or so and try to post more. hope this helped explain it..Chad

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