SA on E-Stand

[wessel]

I have this for sale on E-Stand and have been asked to put it up for discussion. I'm not a buckle expert, but the detail on it is excellent.

[wessel]

reverse

[patrick99]

Very nice one (page 173 R.Angolia)

[wessel]

Thanks, Patrick.

[aechols83]

I'm sorry to say, but the buckle shown is a FAKE and well-known to collectors specializing in SA buckles. Unfortunately the fact that this and other buckles fool some collectors is probably often due to their being showcased in Angolia. A reminder that this excellent reference is not a perfect guide and should not be taken as gospel.

Best,
Adam

[yellow12]

Hello,

has no one more opinions to this nice SA buckle ?

[musketier]

Hello,
has no one more opinions to this nice SA buckle ?

Hello All,

@yellow12...the buckle is a fake.
Look but only once the mark and the box on !

Best Regards

Raphael

[Ric Ferrari]

Hello All,

@yellow12...the buckle is a fake.
Look but only once the mark and the box on !

Best Regards

Raphael

Ric

[patrick99]

I'm sorry to say, but the buckle shown is a FAKE and well-known to collectors specializing in SA buckles. Unfortunately the fact that this and other buckles fool some collectors is probably often due to their being showcased in Angolia. A reminder that this excellent reference is not a perfect guide and should not be taken as gospel.

Best,
Adam

So if the book Angolia is not to "trust" how do I know which buckles in the book are good?
Can anyone tell me which books are better .... (outside this forum )

[Guido L.]

So if the book Angolia is not to "trust" how do I know which buckles in the book are good?
Can anyone tell me which books are better .... (outside this forum )

Do you really expect that it is possible to write a book that will answer all your questions? And if yes how voluminous should be such a book?

All books about German belt buckles that I know are more or less full of mistakes and letting many questions unanswered. As far as I know most of their authors are not pure belt buckle collectors and I have the impression that some advanced collector has more knowledge to offer.

If you want information about belt buckle classification Bandau/ Patzwall is the best source in my eyes, but he shows the buckles only from obverse.

I can only advice to learn how to judge a particular buckle by yourself. A book should be only used as the first guide for a novice collector. Just my 2 cents!

Best,
Guido

[patrick99]

Do you really expect that it is possible to write a book that will answer all your questions? And if yes how voluminous should be such a book?

All books about German belt buckles that I know are more or less full of mistakes and letting many questions unanswered. As far as I know most of their authors are not pure belt buckle collectors and I have the impression that some advanced collector has more knowledge to offer.

If you want information about belt buckle classification Bandau/ Patzwall is the best source in my eyes, but he shows the buckles only from obverse.

I can only advice to learn how to judge a particular buckle by yourself. A book should be only used as the first guide for a novice collector. Just my 2 cents!

Best,
Guido

Guido,
I'm began to collect buckles in 2006
My first thoughts were to buy a few books before I bought myself buckles. It seemed logical to me.
Where do you get this knowledge come from??
Jou have to had it from a source?

[josh105]

@patrick99:

You get the knowledge from having original buckles in hand. There is nothing that can beat having a buckle in hand - looking at construction with your own eyes, feeling the weight, and how the material looks and feels.

Although books can be good texts to which buckles are which, I can only agree that there is not a "buckle bible" out there.

Start with WAF - if you are absolutely unsure on a buckle there is more knowledge on these pages than will EVER be put on paper.

People are MORE than helpful as I'm sure you have found... I have not been collecting long and started with buckles back in 2009. I studied the fakes gallery and looked up buckles that I found very hard to determine fake (ie: I still struggle with some SS buckles).

Best,
Josh

[wessel]

Apologies...this was bought by me about 10 years ago and put up for sale in good faith.