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    SA on E-Stand

    I have this for sale on E-Stand and have been asked to put it up for discussion. I'm not a buckle expert, but the detail on it is excellent.
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      #3
      Very nice one (page 173 R.Angolia)

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        #4
        Thanks, Patrick.

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          #5
          I'm sorry to say, but the buckle shown is a FAKE and well-known to collectors specializing in SA buckles. Unfortunately the fact that this and other buckles fool some collectors is probably often due to their being showcased in Angolia. A reminder that this excellent reference is not a perfect guide and should not be taken as gospel.

          Best,
          Adam
          Last edited by aechols83; 09-09-2012, 04:45 AM.

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            #6
            Hello,

            has no one more opinions to this nice SA buckle ?

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              #7
              Originally posted by yellow12 View Post
              Hello,
              has no one more opinions to this nice SA buckle ?
              Hello All,

              @yellow12...the buckle is a fake.
              Look but only once the mark and the box on !

              Best Regards

              Raphael

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                #8
                Originally posted by musketier View Post
                Hello All,

                @yellow12...the buckle is a fake.
                Look but only once the mark and the box on !

                Best Regards

                Raphael



                Ric

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by aechols83 View Post
                  I'm sorry to say, but the buckle shown is a FAKE and well-known to collectors specializing in SA buckles. Unfortunately the fact that this and other buckles fool some collectors is probably often due to their being showcased in Angolia. A reminder that this excellent reference is not a perfect guide and should not be taken as gospel.

                  Best,
                  Adam

                  So if the book Angolia is not to "trust" how do I know which buckles in the book are good?
                  Can anyone tell me which books are better .... (outside this forum )

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by patrick99 View Post
                    So if the book Angolia is not to "trust" how do I know which buckles in the book are good?
                    Can anyone tell me which books are better .... (outside this forum )

                    Do you really expect that it is possible to write a book that will answer all your questions? And if yes how voluminous should be such a book?

                    All books about German belt buckles that I know are more or less full of mistakes and letting many questions unanswered. As far as I know most of their authors are not pure belt buckle collectors and I have the impression that some advanced collector has more knowledge to offer.

                    If you want information about belt buckle classification Bandau/ Patzwall is the best source in my eyes, but he shows the buckles only from obverse.

                    I can only advice to learn how to judge a particular buckle by yourself. A book should be only used as the first guide for a novice collector. Just my 2 cents!

                    Best,
                    Guido

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                      Originally posted by Guido L. View Post
                      Do you really expect that it is possible to write a book that will answer all your questions? And if yes how voluminous should be such a book?

                      All books about German belt buckles that I know are more or less full of mistakes and letting many questions unanswered. As far as I know most of their authors are not pure belt buckle collectors and I have the impression that some advanced collector has more knowledge to offer.

                      If you want information about belt buckle classification Bandau/ Patzwall is the best source in my eyes, but he shows the buckles only from obverse.

                      I can only advice to learn how to judge a particular buckle by yourself. A book should be only used as the first guide for a novice collector. Just my 2 cents!

                      Best,
                      Guido
                      Guido,
                      I'm began to collect buckles in 2006
                      My first thoughts were to buy a few books before I bought myself buckles. It seemed logical to me.
                      Where do you get this knowledge come from??
                      Jou have to had it from a source?

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                        #12
                        @patrick99:

                        You get the knowledge from having original buckles in hand. There is nothing that can beat having a buckle in hand - looking at construction with your own eyes, feeling the weight, and how the material looks and feels.

                        Although books can be good texts to which buckles are which, I can only agree that there is not a "buckle bible" out there.

                        Start with WAF - if you are absolutely unsure on a buckle there is more knowledge on these pages than will EVER be put on paper.

                        People are MORE than helpful as I'm sure you have found... I have not been collecting long and started with buckles back in 2009. I studied the fakes gallery and looked up buckles that I found very hard to determine fake (ie: I still struggle with some SS buckles).

                        Best,
                        Josh

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                          #13
                          Apologies...this was bought by me about 10 years ago and put up for sale in good faith.

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