Perhaps I am right in thinking that there is now a hint of singing from the same hymn sheet, towards that the nickle inset buckle is a fake. I accept Marcs comments that perhaps not a fantasy piece and instead, a variation copy towards an original with a touch of artistic license. The buckle is very often seen for sale on internet auctions and at fairs, with again, variations towards the obverse finish.
The second buckle (brass with brass inset and horizontal wings), is I think more interesting.
A very rare and early SA and especially so due to the distinct design and alleged SS association.
There are two points that worry me.
Are we now seeing fake brass boxed buckles with a "dished" reverse and are we perhaps becoming a trifle neurotic about the eternal clipped claws issue. The former is prime facie - yes or no, although the claw debate is perhaps most subjective.
We are all painfully aware of the OLT style claws, although I hold numerous early "political" box buckles with decidely odd, claw tip arrangements.
Perhaps we are confusing the discussion here by assuming that non symetrical claw tips indicate a fake. Inwardly and directly opposing 45 degrees yes, however surely not so with any other and slightly eccentric, non even claw tips.
Attached is a well known SA fake - a reasonably good obverse, although the reverse to include the claw arrangement, being as subtle as a flying mallet.
The crude and ugly cropped claw tips are the interesting feature and that is what I call problematical .
Regards,
David
p.s. - Marc, perhaps you may consider starting a new post to the effect "Are white metal SA style buckles actually NSKK" - I now think not and thanks (as always) to Christian for providing myself with the "idiots guide" (myself being the idiot).
The second buckle (brass with brass inset and horizontal wings), is I think more interesting.
A very rare and early SA and especially so due to the distinct design and alleged SS association.
There are two points that worry me.
Are we now seeing fake brass boxed buckles with a "dished" reverse and are we perhaps becoming a trifle neurotic about the eternal clipped claws issue. The former is prime facie - yes or no, although the claw debate is perhaps most subjective.
We are all painfully aware of the OLT style claws, although I hold numerous early "political" box buckles with decidely odd, claw tip arrangements.
Perhaps we are confusing the discussion here by assuming that non symetrical claw tips indicate a fake. Inwardly and directly opposing 45 degrees yes, however surely not so with any other and slightly eccentric, non even claw tips.
Attached is a well known SA fake - a reasonably good obverse, although the reverse to include the claw arrangement, being as subtle as a flying mallet.
The crude and ugly cropped claw tips are the interesting feature and that is what I call problematical .
Regards,
David
p.s. - Marc, perhaps you may consider starting a new post to the effect "Are white metal SA style buckles actually NSKK" - I now think not and thanks (as always) to Christian for providing myself with the "idiots guide" (myself being the idiot).
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