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    #16
    It might be period but IMO is Not original SS belt. Some para-military belt dyed black post-war with added SS markings.

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      #17
      Belt

      Originally posted by A c h t u n g ! View Post
      It might be period but IMO is Not original SS belt. Some para-military belt dyed black post-war with added SS markings.

      Para military belts are black too. Not sure what color you think it might have been??

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        #18
        Originally posted by Peter Manzie View Post
        Para military belts are black too. Not sure what color you think it might have been??
        Brown, green,

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          #19
          Belt

          Originally posted by A c h t u n g ! View Post
          Brown, green,
          If you want it to be ..... I guess? IMO, it does not look dyed from another color post war. Not really sure how you could tell. They were all dyed at some point.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Peter Manzie View Post
            If you want it to be ..... I guess? IMO, it does not look dyed from another color post war. Not really sure how you could tell. They were all dyed at some point.
            DRK were black. NSKK were black. HJ were black, Reichbahn were black, WH were black ... Just to name a few.
            I did not say the "belt" was fake/reproduction. I said it is not built like a SS leather belt should be. Other than the marking, most SS leather belts had some particuliar features. None of those features are on the shown example. Then there is the marking which is related more to the known fake SS 48/38 RZM marking than to the genuine known SS 48/38 RZM marking. As previousely said, there is genuine SS leather belts marked SS 48/38 RZM. But there is a fake SS 48/38 SS marking which is similar but not the same as the original. Fakers never had to reproduce everything. They just have an handy stamp and voilà! A nice original $200 DRK leather belt becomes a marvelous SS belt at $1500 or more. A fake SS leather belt.
            By the way, the known original SS 48/38 RZM I screened have the distinctive feature I was talking about. Just for your information.
            But all was possible with the 3rd Reich...
            Jean Pierre Redeuilh
            All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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              #21
              Originally posted by N.C. Wyeth View Post
              Here are a couple of shots of SS Officer belts with the type interior surface that I am familiar with . . . maybe these will help spur on some additionally informative discussion?
              My mistake: I was asking for markings on your belts....
              Jean Pierre Redeuilh
              All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                #22
                1938

                Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post
                DRK were black. NSKK were black. HJ were black, Reichbahn were black, WH were black ... Just to name a few.
                I did not say the "belt" was fake/reproduction. I said it is not built like a SS leather belt should be. Other than the marking, most SS leather belts had some particuliar features. None of those features are on the shown example. Then there is the marking which is related more to the known fake SS 48/38 RZM marking than to the genuine known SS 48/38 RZM marking. As previousely said, there is genuine SS leather belts marked SS 48/38 RZM. But there is a fake SS 48/38 SS marking which is similar but not the same as the original. Fakers never had to reproduce everything. They just have an handy stamp and voilà! A nice original $200 DRK leather belt becomes a marvelous SS belt at $1500 or more. A fake SS leather belt.
                By the way, the known original SS 48/38 RZM I screened have the distinctive feature I was talking about. Just for your information.
                But all was possible with the 3rd Reich...
                Perhaps it would be best to refer to the date of this belt, which is 1939. Comparing it to a 1938 is close, but no cigar. Do we know if there were changes in 1939??? Not sure.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Peter Manzie View Post
                  Perhaps it would be best to refer to the date of this belt, which is 1939. Comparing it to a 1938 is close, but no cigar. Do we know if there were changes in 1939??? Not sure.
                  Sorry for my typo mistake, I should have typed 48/39.
                  I replied directly without bothering to check again everything from the begining. But I was indeed talking about 48/39.
                  Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                  All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                    #24
                    Comparison

                    Here is a comparison of what I think is a known original on the left. I like it too. The marking seems very similar to the subject belt. The one on the left is dated 1937, the one on the right is 1939. A different rounded method was used on the tab for the 37 version. Did this change sometime in 39?
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                      #25
                      I do not see anything wrong with your 48/37. Could you please shown also the other side of your belt?

                      Of course we can expect some differences between years, and even differences within the same year.

                      Once again, can you please show the other side?
                      Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                      All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                        #26
                        37

                        Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post
                        I do not see anything wrong with your 48/37. Could you please shown also the other side of your belt?

                        Of course we can expect some differences between years, and even differences within the same year.

                        Once again, can you please show the other side?
                        Hello JPR,
                        The 37 dated belt is an example from a previous thread. It is not mine.

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