HJ M4/22 Injection molded..Please Help

[Chad Williams]

Hello...I am new to the group and pretty new to collecting german buckles...I have read a few things here and there stating that any M4/22 injection molded buckles were fake , as this manufacturer (CTD) never produced these...Is this true, or were there period made buckles and also newly made repros???? please let me hear your thoughts...thank you Chad Williams

[Wickie]

Hello Chad,

it is not correct, that all moulded M4/22 are fakes.
Here is the story:
I had a nice talk with somebody who worked at C.T.Dicke in the last years of the war. He told me that Dicke had no moulding machine during that time. I have similar informations from Assmann & Overhoff.

It is always interesting to listen to people who lived during that time, but not everything is 100% correct. Maybe he forgot about it, or he saw never a moulding machine because it was only a very small part of the production.
There are also other idea's, like a "third party" maker...

What ever, I had three different variants of moulded M4/22 buckles in my collection. I'm sure they were all original!


Christian

[Chad Williams]

Thanks for the info

Christian...thank you for the info...I have had a few of these buckles, some mint and others well used, and after finding that info I got a little scared that all of the ones that I had were repros....but none of the normal indicators of a repro were present so I wanted to get another opinion...thanks again...Chad

[StevenD]

I am not sure if their is too much of a problem with molded HJs...I think most of the copies are stamped steel...even now complete with bogus rzm tags.

[buckle1]

As far as I know only one M4/22 "molded" buckle has been faked. It is the Wehrmannshaften buckle and it is a very , very good copy. It is possible that they have also faked the HJ buckle as well but I am not sure of this.


Bill

[David North]

Bill

How right you are about the SA-Wehrmannschaften buckle.

Mint to near mint examples are appearing on a regular basis.

I think however (hopefully) that Chad was making reference to the blind or smooth back moulded 22's HJ, rather than the die stamped buckles per se.

Regards,

David