Jagdpanzer IV L70 - ID, need help

[f35jsf]

Hi

Perhaps somebody of you will help me.

Take a look to the pictures:







This lid was samewhere in Jagdpanzer, but where??

Why Jagdpaznzer:
I'm sure that tank was german and had Kwk 42, and had such a gas pedal:





This is Panzer IV gas pedal, right??
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Maybe someone recognise this pedal:








Thanks for any help.

Sorry for my bad English.

Paul.

[Bullitt]

jgpz part ?

Hi Paul

what other part did you find that is possitively jgpz IV L/70?
We often find parts of various kinds in one same pit but that doens't proof its all from the same vehicle...unfortunately

The gas pedal would be the same for many other Panzer IV chassis-based vehicles, so not that specific

The object you found has some small remnants of red oxid primer, I suggest you put this item in electrolyse to see if it reveals more paint and frees it from all rustbubbles.

ciao
Bullitt

[f35jsf]

I say again:
Why Jagdpaznzer:
I'm sure that tank was german and had Kwk 42, and had such a gas pedal.

Kwk 42 - Panther or Jagdpanzer IV.
Gas pedal from Panzer IV + Kwk 42 = Jagdpazer

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I found the place where the tank was destroyed.
Im sure that this parts comes from the same vehicle.
On the ground you can see traces of tracks, nearby tree is mutilated.

Part from the photos are the largest and most characteristic.

And yes, you are right. The lid has some small remnants of red oxid primer but electrolyse destroys it. I must find another way to get rid of rust.


Other things:






















I am 99% sure that it Jagdpanzer but wants to have a 100%

[f35jsf]

I think that I know what it is, but your opinion will be helpful:

















And things that already have been, but rusty:

[Bullitt]

Hi Paul

Pic 1 and 2 shows a panther part ( cover for the torsionbar)

pic 3 shows another panther part ( its a typical pantherwasher to fasten the wheelrims)

electrolyse never harms your paintwork, I've done this already several times even on thin metal objects. Electrolyse just removes all the loose rustpartsfrom your object....just google on in and you'll find out

ciao
Bullitt

[f35jsf]

Hi Bullitt.

First: thank you for assist and help.

Second: This in Jagdpanzer IV not Panther tank
I wish that is Panther becouse I love this tank and I don't have any part of Panther but I'm telling you it is Jagdpanzer.

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Pic 1 and 2 shows a panther part ( cover for the torsionbar)
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Do you mean this:
http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.p...4dba2bf5b1a557
http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.p...96c9d67abc83e4
??
This part is too thin to be outside cover. I thing that is some kind of meter.

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pic 3 shows another panther part ( its a typical pantherwasher to fasten the wheelrims)
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I saw it on Munster Panther and it's very similar but my tank isn't Panther

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electrolyse never harms your paintwork, I've done this already several times even on thin metal objects. Electrolyse just removes all the loose rustpartsfrom your object....just google on in and you'll find out

ciao
Bullitt

On polish boards everybody think that electrolyse destroy paint.
I never do electrolyse to painted object.
Maybe you are right but I think when paint covers metal surface it's save but if paint covered rust electrolyse destroy it.


I look forward to further suggestions

Pozdrawiam.
Paul.

[Bullitt]

jpgz IV parts

Hi Paul,

quote
Do you mean this:
http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.p...4dba2bf5b1a557
http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.p...96c9d67abc83e4
??

===yes

quote
This part is too thin to be outside cover. I thing that is some kind of meter.

===indeed , the part you found looks to be sheetmetal ..so rather thin , maybe as you suggest the backplate of some meter/gauge

===here is the washer on a pantherwheel similar to the piece you found.
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if you could give me the measurements of your object I can compare it with those on the panther

quote
On polish boards everybody think that electrolyse destroy paint.

=== not correct .......years ago I found a 1/3 of a blackout cap of a Bosch headlight ( thin metal that was shattered by shrapnel) I removed all the dirt and let it as it was ( it looked overall rusty) A few months ago I started doing some electrolyse on varios stuff including this blackoutcap. The result was stunning!
The rustbits were all gone and the surface of the bare metal turned black ( normal result) .... only a few spots turned black. Then I cleaned the item properly with a soft steelbrush and al the original paint appeared ....sand color with some brown camopaint.

quote
I never do electrolyse to painted object.
Maybe you are right but I think when paint covers metal surface it's save but if paint covered rust electrolyse destroy it.

=== true, but if the paint is on some rustbubble it'll come off sooner or later ...it can't be saved then
Putting a rusty item indoor doens't prevent it from further deteriation...it'll rust further.
only when the rust has been removed and the object has been primed or painted it can be kept for ever.

ciao
Bullitt

[f35jsf]

Hi

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===indeed , the part you found looks to be sheetmetal ..so rather thin , maybe as you suggest the backplate of some meter/gauge

Yes I think this is it.
I must found pictures of the backplate of meter/gauge. Maybe gays from Stug IV can help me

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if you could give me the measurements of your object I can compare it with those on the panther
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=== not correct .......years ago I found a 1/3 of a blackout cap of a Bosch headlight ( thin metal that was shattered by shrapnel) I removed all the dirt and let it as it was ( it looked overall rusty) A few months ago I started doing some electrolyse on varios stuff including this blackoutcap. The result was stunning!
The rustbits were all gone and the surface of the bare metal turned black ( normal result) .... only a few spots turned black. Then I cleaned the item properly with a soft steelbrush and al the original paint appeared ....sand color with some brown camopaint.
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Hmm I must tray it
From what are you doing electrolyte?

I cleaned the lid from the part of rust. It is in very bad shape:





I mark paint.


I have the theory of what there happened but I will wait to your answer.


Pozdrawiam
Paul



PS
This tank was destroy about 2,5km from Littlefield Panther

[Bullitt]

tankparts

Hi Paul,

I have good news or bad news....up to you to chose

the washer on the pantherwheel has the exact same measurements as your item...so it still could be from a panther.

I can't locate any spot on a jgpz IV were such a washer was used ...or it has to be on the inside?

the part you have cleaned up is unknown to me
....I'm curious to here from you what happened or what you think it is

ciao
Bullitt

[f35jsf]

Hi Bullitt

Ohh f...
Now I'm confused


This is the place:





Destroyed tree:




Red - tank;
green - tracks;
blue - driver seat when gas pedal was found.






I'm sure that one tank was there (destroy or end fuel). The tank after the war was cut.
Maybe this was unknown type of Panther tank (with gas pedal from Panzer IV ) or in this place second tank was cut because those washers was found about 5 m on right.

When the snow will melt I must absolutely go there one more time and look for this second tank

the part you have cleaned up is unknown to me

Small hint: Kwk 42.


Pozdrawiam
Paul

[Bullitt]

parts

Hi Paul,

Quote:
the part you have cleaned up is unknown to me

Small hint: Kwk 42.

sorry I can't seem to find a good pic of the KwK 42 to find out what part it might be ...so tell me

the pedals are not from a panther ...possibly from a panzer IV chassis based vehicle

ciao
Bullitt

[f35jsf]

Hi

Schema of breech block Kwk 42:





http://www.panther1944.de/Panther/KwK.htm

I need your opinion because maybe I see what I want too see

Pozdrawiam
Paul.

[Bullitt]

Hi Paul,

you think ( hope) you have something of the firing mechanisme of the KwK 42?

its always tricky to locate smaller parts in a Panzer ....for that you need a "Datenbläter" or a TM with bow-up drawings or pictures.

I have lots of kg's of unsolved items...once in a while I find the answer

hopefully you can find other parts there that can add to the identity of the panzer?


ciao
Bullit

[f35jsf]

Hi

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you think ( hope) you have something of the firing mechanisme of the KwK 42?
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He he, I think I have

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its always tricky to locate smaller parts in a Panzer ....for that you need a "Datenbläter" or a TM with bow-up drawings or pictures.
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Yes you are right, but TM hard to "find" or it cost a lot of money.

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I have lots of kg's of unsolved items...once in a while I find the answer
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Yes, I know that.
For example this press, especially this driver wheel :

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hopefully you can find other parts there that can add to the identity of the panzer?
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If only the weather will improve I am going there.
Photos and things to ID will be soon


Pozdrawiam
Paul


PS
Kwk 42 L70 in nearby village

[RTY]

It is not very seldom when parts from different tanks are digging up in one place...

But this is a gas pedal from Panther...

KwK42 has a muzzle brake. The gun at the picture is StuK42.