Panzer Wrap --- Opinions

[AlikN]

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[Leroy]

I'm sure many will say Janke because of the double-stitching on the liner pockets and high number of reinforcement lines at the collar, but did Janke make wrappers with this type of lining..............................?

[AlikN]

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[AlikN]

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[Glenn McInnes]

I would pass on it.





Glenn

[AlikN]

Thanks Glenn,
Can you explain what is wrong with it?

[PanzerJohn]

Would you expect something thats over 60 years old, has been through a war and carted half way around the world to be so vibrant in colours,clean and perfect?.

[Mike Davis]

Would you expect something thats over 60 years old, has been through a war and carted half way around the world to be so vibrant in colours,clean and perfect?.

That is immaterial. There are plenty of items around, including wraps that are in mint condition, often with issue tags.

[DennyB]

I cannot say one way or the other if it is original but it doesn't have the standard Janke stampings, at least the ones I have ever seen. Of course saying it isn't a Janke is not saying that it is real.
Denny

[B. N. Singer]

That is immaterial. There are plenty of items around, including wraps that are in mint condition, often with issue tags.

Of course Mr. Davis!

This one I think is made incorrectly.

B. N. Singer

[Luca Ongaro]

Of course Mr. Davis!

This one I think is made incorrectly.

B. N. Singer

Agree with Mike in this point.
About the wrap, correct materials but as Byron pointed is made incorrectly, personally I don't like buttonholes while a like stamps.
Is the first time a see a nice fake like this..... if is a fake.
I am always carefully with pictures.
Luca

[phild]

I can not add too much more about this wrap. IMO certainly a fake/repro, with at least a half a dozen characteristics that are each a show stopper in and of themselves to this one being original.

I have seen maybe 10 to 12 varities of fake wraps on the market since the late 1970s. My guess is that what I have seen represents about 1/2 to 1/3 of the total of the different types that have been produced.

Some of the above have been evolutions of Janke made wraps but most have not been that firm's work. IMO the one on this thread is probably from one of the Baltic Countries or perhaps Poland...I don't know for sure.

What collectors need to keep in mind is that blk PZ uniforms have been faked from the ground up for at least 30 years...probably longer than any other type of German uniform (tunics not caps) and that these fakes can be found with many different details.

This one reminds me at lot of the "Lago Wien" marked ones that were usually full of fine dust that were be offered (often with fake trousers) back in the early to mid 1990s in the 2k range. This one has a different lining and differs in other details...but has the "1000 stitch" collar.

[Leroy]

Just trying to learn here. Why (except that numerous fakes have been seen with this characteristic) is the "1000 stitch" collar bad? Did tailoring characteristics change so radically after the war? I know that wartime items were, for the most part, meant to made quickly, with numerous fine points eliminated from the process, but is there documented proof that no wartime uniforms were made like this? Don't mean to be a "bad boy" here, but I would really like to know about solid documentation, if possible. It is very hard for me to comprehend that with literally thousands of tailoring firms spread throughout Germany and the occupied countries, no technique variability is accepted.

[Leroy]

PS to my last post: I realize also that most, if not all, of these garments had to be government approved before acceptance and distribution through various
depots. Is the 1000 stitch collar a legitimate ground for rejection of an order or
delivery? Somewhere, there had to have been a checklist of what were (and what were not) acceptable items. Were, by example, collars to be attached "with a minimum of two rows of stitching", so if you had one row, you were rejected, but if you had ten, you were not? I feel certain most suppliers (as in today's world) would have done the absolute minimum to get by, but some must have gone a different route in some areas.

[AlikN]

Thanks everyone for their replies,
Question on insignia, ...is it looks ok on this wrap?
...did the Janke and other similar faker-makers used original insignia?
... from what did Janke copied their design ?