L/57 gwb

[mrm1944]

Hi,

I'm new to collecting WB's and wondered if anyone could help me with this L/57 GWB please?

Can anyone tell me how common this hardware setup is on a L/57 and any other general comments would be welcomed.

Thanks
Mark


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[Chrvip68]

Hi,

Not a correct Börger WB, finish-material- maker mark-hardware.

Sorry....

[all1knew]

well what exactly does a correct Boerger look like here? To me, it appears the maker uses numerous styles of reverse hardware (much as BH Mayer did with his products) as suggested in this thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=650831

we see a similar sheet-metal hinge on this badge:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=521454

We see a completely different style of reverse hardware on this and with a raised maker mark:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=718814

and yet while the obverse stippling pattern looks the same on all of them we've got another variant here with raised maker mark and reverse hardware that you'd find on earlier tombak examples:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=764710

the finish on the badge first shown by the OP is identical to this badge deemed good:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=434829

This one (with very, very similar everything) was identified as original in this thread and was quoted as an accepted variation, because there's a ton with this maker:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=430309

The one that was first posted has very similar maker mark to an example shown here further down in the post by Hans N, a known wound badge collector, and with an identical catch, he believe it to be authentic:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=285728

and moderator Vhvlp68, in the thread below you state that the L57's that you have seen all have a raised maker mark which is clearly not the case or consensus on the forum, please see:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=186309

and on page two, author Frank Huekemes shows a badge with an identical style catch to the one the OP is showing and you state that you are gaining confidence in this type but then condemn the badge above:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=L%2F57&page=2

and finally

The ones deemed authentic in this page share an IDENTICAL die flaw with the wide pin and raised maker mark badge that is posted at the top of this page IMO, shown here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=L%2F57&page=3

So what is real and what isn't?

William Kramer

[Thomas Durante]

A fake for me as well, soft details and weird hardware setup are the red flags with this one.

Tom

[mrm1944]

A fake for me as well, soft details and weird hardware setup are the red flags with this one.



Tom

Thanks everyone


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[Andreas Klein]

The setup combo isn't weired - it can be found on L/57 badges more than once. The maker mark is rare but from my point of view ok and was found an several badges during the last years ( i think HansN owns one too).

The details aren't soft too.

Only the finish puzzles me at the moment and i would be interested to get some more details of the badge (weight, size).

[Thomas Durante]

well what exactly does a correct Boerger look like here? To me, it appears the maker uses numerous styles of reverse hardware

Thats true William, Boerger did use several reverse hardware setups, but none exactly like this one. They are similar, but forensically not exactly the same. The maker mark is also highly questionable. Again, Boerger used several maker marks and several stamped examples, but none that match this one. The thin numerals, as well as them being so lightly struck are major red flags. When Boerger stamped their mark in, they consistently hit it strong and deep making a good impression. That is not what we see on this example. I would be surprised if Hans still has his and if he still thinks its an original, hopefully he chimes in. Finish is also very sloppy and thick looking, and the base metal resembles zinc but with a higher lead content IMO giving it a weird appearance.

Lots of little red flags with this one, especially compared with the ones you linked into this thread earlier.

Tom

[Hans N]

Yes i still have mine somewhere and i haven´t fiddled with it for a very long time
Perhaps it´s time to get it out and play with it and make some scans, damn that sounded a bit corny