New Addition - Deschler/Wiedmann WB

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

Been so busy with the forum upgrade that I haven't had much time to enjoy the hobby! I have been buying all along but the badges are piling up on my desk, I am finally getting time to scan them in and get organized.

Here is one of my recent WB pickups, I believe it is a Deschler/Wiedmann and is made from zink (big thanks to William Kramer @ Wehrmacht-Militaria). There appears to be a silver plating over the zink, and then black finish applied to it. Looking at the reverse hardware setup, I would have put my money on Wiedmann as the maker of these, but I assume that some of these can be found marked L/10 so that is where Deschler comes into play? Would love to hear your thoughts on this one and hoping you can enlighten me on the Deschler connection with these.

Thanks guys.

Tom


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[Hans N]

A nice pick up Tom!

Here are my Deschlers to compare with in terms of design
I have no close up on the MM on the pin. Have no qlue why i never took one

[Hans N]

And my 2 zincers.On the 2nd one i think you recognize the catch

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Hans,

Thanks for the comments and your pics, couple very nice Deschlers

Here is a solid Widemann I just picked up too.

Tom


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[Thomas Durante]

Looking at the obverse designs of all these WBs, I am still wondering why these are called Deschler/Wiedmann? It appears to me that there are there is a difference between the obverse designs here, namely in the berry to the right of the right sword handle.

Wiedmanns appear to have this Berry. Deschler's do not as far as I can tell. So my question is do we know of any badges with the "Wiedmann obverse design (with Berry)" that are marked L/10 for Deschler? On conversely, are there any Deschler Obverse designs (without berry) that can be found with this unique Wiedmann reverse hardware setup (lilypad hinge, wide pin and flat catch on round baseplate)?

Thanks

Tom

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[M3A1Mats]

Gorgeous pieces! I'm a big fan of this design,
Hope you don't mind me posting my pieces,

Thanks for sharing,

Mats

[M3A1Mats]

Photos of the one with the sword pin,
Unfortunately not the best pics,

Mats

[Hans N]

Hi Tom,

personally i have never researched them in depth earlier since i previously never collected variations but there are 2 more details that differs in design between the 2 - the shape of right top of the bow and the size and shape of the pommel

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

Hans, thanks for pointing out a few more differences, I agree completely that we are looking at 2 different dies here (and I think can be a good way to determine whether we are looking at a Deschler or Wiedmann). I think we can use these features to break apart these badges which are almost always referred to as "Deschler/Wiedmann". If we can see that there are 2 different unique designs and no mixture of markings on them then I think we can identify the true Deschlers from the true Wiedmanns.

Does anyone have in their collection a Wiedmann Obverse design above, but that is marked with L/10?

And vice versa, does anyone know of any Deschler Obverse design above with the Lilypad hinge on it?

Thanks

Tom

P.S., Mats you have some really excellent badges. If you have pics and don't mind sharing, I think we all would love for you to post each one of these individually here Obverse and Reverse so we can see if my theory above holds water.

Thanks

Tom

[Hans N]

Some of my unmarked ones

[Hans N]

1

[Hans N]

2. This one is one of my favourite one´s with it preserved oxydized finish - a luxurious black version

[Hans N]

3. This one is infact a Black one that still has some tiny specs of black finish on it.These are very often sold as a silver grade...

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Hans,

Thanks for posting these, all very nice and lovely. I really like the 3rd one you posted, black one with wide pin, has a great look to it and excellent detail!

I would say 3 out of 4 of your badges are Wiedmanns. The 3rd one you show (black one with wide pin that we both like) is the only Deschler in the bunch.

Tom

[Feinzink59]

Hello,

To understand, Weidmann produced dies for Descheler despite the fact that he did not manufacture insignia for the injured. In this case, what documents or repositories do you rely on?

With the multitude of pin systems, only the size of the helmet (beyond the variant with the bay) allows all these parts to be attached to Deschler?

These questions certainly seem bland compared to your knowledge, but they can enlighten any collector on the subject.

Thank you in advance for sharing your knowledge.

François.