Hungarian Germans Nazi Supporters Badge

[holden]

Hello All.

I picked this up at a fair today in France - no doubts its one of the most debated Axis Party Badges.

If they have any chance of being real then they must be early 30s as the Hungarian Arrow Cross Party had its own form of badge when they took power in Hungary in 1944. The badge is saying "The Germans in Hungary National Union", so its a sign of support by wearers of Germans residing in Hungary.

Certainly there are fakes of these seen many, but all have very thin arms to the Sun-wheel Swastika and a coffin shape pin holder on the reverse. I have been wanting one for a while because of the Hungarian connection - fake or not, I like them.

If I would have to say I would say these were produced in the 70s as the enamel has a very slight blur at the edge on the cross, but yet again who knows?

Comments welcome - thanks in advance for your valued help.
Cheers Dave.

[soldon]

There has been / are a number of threads on different military forums dealing with this badge. The common wisdom is only badges with red enamel stand a chance of being genuine.

[RonR]

The red one.........


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[holden]

Hello Soldon & Ron - I very much appreciatte your answers, thank you. So although the green version is of nice quality, I feel that it must be a reproduction. Any other opinions from any other members I would be interested to know.

Best regards to all.

Holden

[Jo Rivett]

Fake alert ↑↑↑↑

Holden and Soldon, don`t accept the image from Ron as being a period piece, it is not, and was made around the late 70`s in the USA. It is marked with a fantasy Hungarian name on the reverse.

I have three of them, and have subjected them all to a thourough microscopic analysis. As well as the fakes marked R.K, the unmarked fakes and the fakes with only a circle on the reverse.

Documented evidence in the Hungarian parties own records, mention - in quite some detaill too - ONLY the solid red enamel badge with black letters. In fact in their records they mention everything about the design, more so than any other period mention of any award, badge or item.

VIEWER WARNING... THE BADGE RON POSTED IS A MODERN FAKE!

Here is an original badge. An original like this was up for sale at a cheap price of €200 on Mundomilitaria a few weeks ago.

[RonR]

The reverse.....so a fake also....advice appreciated........

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[holden]

Very interesting indeed - that's a very unusual badge Jo, and thank you for joining the thread. Do you have any information on where the green versions might have been made? Would these be a 70s repro?

Thanks in advance for any help.

BR

Holden.

[Jo Rivett]

Very interesting indeed - that's a very unusual badge Jo, and thank you for joining the thread. Do you have any information on where the green versions might have been made? Would these be a 70s repro?

Thanks in advance for any help.

BR

Holden.

The green and black versions are fantasy. 1970`s as well i would think, until today of course, as there are a few "versions" of these, as there are with many old fakes.

I have not yet inspected all the translucent enamel ones, as there are also many "versions" of these fakes too, but i am still of the opinion that a translucent red badge was around during the very brief period these were worn.

(Even though the Hungarian Party history book (a book of many hundred pages) only mentions the opaque red badge like i showed.)

I have seen three or so of them on the net only, that to me look like they stand a very good chance of being genuine. All the ones i saw at shows and have are fake.

[Jo Rivett]

The reverse.....so a fake also....advice appreciated........

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Yes the RK is a fake. I had the images for this and the other maker marked in the same folder, so compared the wrong image. The one i meant is linked←, but an easy to spot fake.
I bought a different version of one these from auction a few years ago, because the images looked "right" to me, it had no details on the reverse but unfortunately also turned out to be a fake. It cost me 280 odd Euros as well.. but nevermind.

Here is the original i mentioned for sale. €200.- is a very reasonable price, as these badges (the genuine ones) are very hard to find indeed. Just another item that the fake market has ruined.

[holden]

The green and black versions are fantasy. 1970`s as well i would think, until today of course, as there are a few "versions" of these, as there are with many old fakes.

I have not yet inspected all the translucent enamel ones, as there are also many "versions" of these fakes too, but i am still of the opinion that a translucent red badge was around during the very brief period these were worn.

(Even though the Hungarian Party history book (a book of many hundred pages) only mentions the opaque red badge like i showed.)

I have seen three or so of them on the net only, that to me look like they stand a very good chance of being genuine. All the ones i saw at shows and have are fake.

Thank you Jo for the information. Anything else you can offer (particularly on the green badge), I would be interested to know. I have seen modern repros with very thin arms to the sun-wheel swastika, but I have not seen any with the thick arms. I have to agree though 70s as it would need time for the patina to form.

Cheers

Holden.

[Bob Hritz]

Jo,

Thank you for posting the original. I have never seen one before and now know what to look for in an original.

Bob Hritz

[Jo Rivett]

Jo,

Thank you for posting the original. I have never seen one before and now know what to look for in an original.

Bob Hritz

Here is another original that was sold for only €200.-

Here is another original sold for only €125.-

Here is the same, just moved to a different site

And here are the translucent badges that i believe stand a very good chance of being genuine. LINK 1 | LINK 2

This one, although it looks good, is also a fake.

[Christian J]

Very grateful for the tip, Jo. Salt of the earth!

[Don Scowen]

Here's my honour version...

[Jo Rivett]

Very grateful for the tip, Jo. Salt of the earth!

If i didn`t already have one on the site, i would have bought Rainer`s. €200.- is nothing for such a rare badge, and they really are very rare. But sadly the market value has been utterly slammed into the ground on these because of the amount of fakes and of course fantasy colors/badges.