question..... marine SA sports badge

[chris clark]

ok guys i have never seen or heard of this type till the member roman mentioned it. has anyone got one of these or ever seen one??? if yes any chance of some pics of real pieces please. i would of thought that there would be a few as the kriegsmarine was a very large body of men. if that the case that they do exist did the marine SA badge come in the four grades aswell ???

[Don Scowen]

ok guys i have never seen or heard of this type till the member roman mentioned it. has anyone got one of these or ever seen one??? if yes any chance of some pics of real pieces please. i would of thought that there would be a few as the kriegsmarine was a very large body of men. if that the case that they do exist did the marine SA badge come in the four grades aswell ???

Chris,

This is the only time I've seen it mentioned, Angolia, "For Führer & Fatherland" Vol 2 Page 243. I've no info re authenticity though.

Cheers
Don<!-- / message -->

[James Noble]

Here is a scan of the SA marine Badge from Angolia's, "For Führer & Fatherland" Vol 2. This is also the only place I have seen anything about this badge.

[Patrick W]

Thats a new one on me aswell. Looks like my SA set isn't complete either and probably never will be.

[Roman (Russia)]

Thats a new one on me aswell. Looks like my SA set isn't complete either and probably never will be.

I seek this badge about 18 mounth already and still not find it
www.valentino.newmail.ru/marineSA.jpg

[Bob Coleman]

The SA marine was a fairly small contingent of the SA. It makes no sense to have introduced a special version of the sports badge just for them. If so, why not reiter, pioneer, nachrichten, etc. versions? After 45+ years of collecting, if such a piece existed, I am sure I would have encountered one somewhere. The existance of this badge is illogical. I, for one, doubt its existance.

Bob

[Don D.]

Detlev shows one in his new book. Didn't they also have SA Marine daggers?
Don

[Roman (Russia)]

Detlev shows one in his new book. Didn't they also have SA Marine daggers?
Don

Yes they also have SA Marine daggers. Foto is accessible here http://www.germandaggers.com/collection/saselect.jpg

[chris clark]

i must admit i have serious doughts also that this existed. just because shown in a book does not mean it was actually produced as the same for some other examples that are shown in books but never awarded. can anyone post the pic from detlevs book at all please??

[Bob Coleman]

A special badge for just one of the sub branches of the SA? Sorry, I don't buy that. What about the SS? There is no special SA sports badge for them and many period pictures depict SS men wearing this award. SA Marines had a special dagger. So did the NSKK, SS, and on and on and on. Comparing special daggers and such a specialized awards is mixing apples and oranges. As I said, where have the examples been over the years? It may have been a proposed award but never manufactured and issued.
Bob

[James Noble]

Here is a scan from another of Angolia's books, Daggers, Bayonets & Fighting knives of Hitler's Germany, It shows the dagger attributed to the SA marines is actually a special presentation dagger given to high officials by the SA.

[Roman (Russia)]

Here is a scan from another of Angolia's books, Daggers, Bayonets & Fighting knives of Hitler's Germany, It shows the dagger attributed to the SA marines is actually a special presentation dagger given to high officials by the SA.

James!! Thanks for supporting me!

Many known people mention about the dagger and the badge. They even show the photos. But some people do not trust these facts. Besides i show photos of these real things too.

to all: I specialize exclusively on SA as I am a big admirer of SA. I am always glad to share the knowledge about SA.

Thanks!
Roman V. Kryuchkov

P.S. John R. Angolia's many books are very good! I also recommend his book "Cloth Insignia of the NSDAP and the SA".

[WARLORD]

The marine SA badge dose exist, it comes with its own type of book. The test required for it were placed around sea faring tests. I have seen a pic of it in wear but unfortunatly did not take a copy. However this is a very rare badge, which good copys have been made.

[chris clark]

i do know of SA books with badge belonging to marine personell but each one has only been awarded the normal SA badge not this one as discussed. as far as fakes go i hav't even seen one of those for sale or otherwise. im still happy with my set of four and if evidence that this was an issue piece then i will revaluate my acceptance of such a piece being a award as a general issue piece to the marine section. i accept that daggers were made for such sections as the germans really liked thier daggers but as for the SA marine badge i have seen no evidence to change my view at this time.. some one must have pics or otherwise of the real or even the fake one.. if so please post away

[WARLORD]

To see a pic of the award doc, see Forman's Guide to Third Reich German Documents, Vol 2. page 293 and 294. Again these are very rare. I have a photo of Oswald Pohl in Marine-SA uniform this clearly shows the difference in the insignia worn by this organisation.