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    DVG Pins - Just the Facts Ma'am.

    No horse to dead to beat. I want to know facts on the manufacture of DVG pins to determine what is ground truth on W.Redo and RZM M9/312 marked pins.

    Examples of fact:
    I took a DVG off a dead German in 1944 and it is marked....
    I got a DVG from a Vet.......
    I ground dug a DVG and it is marked.....
    I attended shows in the 60's and I saw dozen's and they were all marked.....
    I attended a show in the 70's and saw 55 gallon drum full of fake DVG's marked....
    In this book is conclusive evidence that states.....
    Here is an employee from the factory sitting in front of me....

    Examples of fiction/speculation:
    I got it from a dealer who is reputable.
    Well this book says.....
    I know it's good......
    That mark does not make sense because......
    The vet could have gotten it at a show in the 50's......so

    Here is my contribution. I got my DVG marked M9/312 that was contained in a vet's cigar box that contained other original US and German militaria and other personal effects.
    Alitur vitium vivitque tegendo
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    Jeff,

    The Redo one I posted on the other thread I am sure is original, it came with other insignia, all original, from a veteran's estate.

    Regards,

    Fred

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      #3
      Originally posted by Colorado View Post
      No horse to dead to beat. I want to know facts on the manufacture of DVG pins to determine what is ground truth on W.Redo and RZM M9/312 marked pins.

      Examples of fact:
      I took a DVG off a dead German in 1944 and it is marked....
      I got a DVG from a Vet.......
      I ground dug a DVG and it is marked.....
      I attended shows in the 60's and I saw dozen's and they were all marked.....
      I attended a show in the 70's and saw 55 gallon drum full of fake DVG's marked....
      In this book is conclusive evidence that states.....
      Here is an employee from the factory sitting in front of me....

      Examples of fiction/speculation:
      I got it from a dealer who is reputable.
      Well this book says.....
      I know it's good......
      That mark does not make sense because......
      The vet could have gotten it at a show in the 50's......so

      Here is my contribution. I got my DVG marked M9/312 that was contained in a vet's cigar box that contained other original US and German militaria and other personal effects.
      It seams to be a no go area this badge.I like your badge for what its worth.

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        #4
        Fairly certain the m9/312 pins are good. I too bought one out of a vet estate where none of the items had been broken up or added to. I'd love to see some period documentation or a picture too. Mine is so nice, easily as nice as any of my finest known-good enamel item. So many exist without a period photo seems odd to me as well.

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          #5
          Not so nice...but Veteran acquired......


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          Attached Files
          RonR

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            #6
            Originally posted by Colorado View Post
            No horse to dead to beat. I want to know facts on the manufacture of DVG pins to determine what is ground truth on W.Redo and RZM M9/312 marked pins.

            Examples of fact:
            I took a DVG off a dead German in 1944 and it is marked....
            I got a DVG from a Vet.......
            I ground dug a DVG and it is marked.....
            I attended shows in the 60's and I saw dozen's and they were all marked.....
            I attended a show in the 70's and saw 55 gallon drum full of fake DVG's marked....
            In this book is conclusive evidence that states.....
            Here is an employee from the factory sitting in front of me....
            Hi, your examples of "facts" are all speculation as well. I do realize that many indeed use them as "proof" or as "concrete evidence" - they are mislead souls though, grasping at whats left of the box of straws.

            In The Party Badge book, there is mention of these DVG badges, as well as a step-by-step guide to determining authenticity. The conclusive evidence you seek, can be found by looking at the actual item - as described in that book - and not by any story, tale, veteran or woodwork fable.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Jo Rivett View Post
              Hi, your examples of "facts" are all speculation as well. I do realize that many indeed use them as "proof" or as "concrete evidence" - they are mislead souls though, grasping at whats left of the box of straws.

              In The Party Badge book, there is mention of these DVG badges, as well as a step-by-step guide to determining authenticity. The conclusive evidence you seek, can be found by looking at the actual item - as described in that book - and not by any story, tale, veteran or woodwork fable.
              I have just ordered a copy of your book Jo.
              I hope im not disippointed when i read it.
              Look forward to reading it.

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                #8
                Originally posted by jack1 View Post
                I have just ordered a copy of your book Jo.
                I hope im not disippointed when i read it.
                Look forward to reading it.
                You will not be dissipointed.
                Freedom is not for Free

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                  #9
                  And you will have lots to read!
                  Richard V

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by jack1 View Post
                    I hope im not disippointed when i read it.
                    I hope this too. It will double as a door stop though if you are, so alls not lost.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jo Rivett View Post
                      I hope this too. It will double as a door stop though if you are, so alls not lost.
                      Well jo i recieved my book.
                      What can i say.
                      SUPERB.

                      Far to good for a door stop.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jack1 View Post
                        What can i say.
                        SUPERB.
                        Ja, but just because the pie looks good....
                        I know the cover says "steak `n kidney" , but it could very well be "rat `n bladder" - with handmade pastry of course!

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