SS zivilabzeichen pin: real or fake?

[David Fettes]

So far for the raised mark Hoffstätter badges I have photos of the following numbers:-
1689
13185
13345
13376

The stamped Hoffstätter badges I have on reference are:-
4896
7781
9643
15835
26286
27315
33109
51625
52538
73798
80740
84191
84352
116823
124705
140276
152792
176388
182388
183919
185298
186137
189011
189060
195122

I really need more examples of the raised marked pins before I can make a better evaluation as to their originality.





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[SiPo]

I really need more examples of the raised marked pins before I can make a better evaluation as to their originality..

Why flog a dead horse???

[Gary Symonds]

Why flog a dead horse???

Graham. you should be asking author Rivett that question.

Are you not in the least bit curious where his evidence is?

After all, Author Rivett is the one who really started this thread, way back in March.

[David Fettes]

There are some who believe the horse is very much alive, further study may provide the answers. Does the horse continue to race another day or is it sent to the glue factory?

[Jo Rivett]

.... lettering in a very chubby font???
Regards, Wim

Wim, really chubby.

[Gary Symonds]

There are some who believe the horse is very much alive, further study may provide the answers. Does the horse continue to race another day or is it sent to the glue factory?

Well, Dave "chubby letters," whatever that means.

Now that is conclusive evidence for the glue factory.

I guess that settles it.

Right, Author Rivett?

[SiPo]

Are you not in the least bit curious where his evidence is?

No Gary sadly not.

I am however curious as to the lack of evidence offered by the supporters of these fake badges to substantiate their defence of them?

[Jo Rivett]

I really need more examples of the raised marked pins

David
13038 can be viewed here.

[Gary Symonds]

No Gary sadly not.

I am however curious as to the lack of evidence offered by the supporters of these fake badges to substantiate their defence of them?

Well, Graham, that is why I sent two examples to Author Rivett in Switzerland for his examination and evidence as to "micro-patina" or its absence.

We're still waiting, are we not?

By the way, what is your evidence the raised Hoffs are repro?

[Röhm1929]

Well, Graham, that is why I sent two examples to Author Rivett in Switzerland for his examination and evidence as to "micro-patina" or its absence.

We're still waiting, are we not?

By the way, what is your evidence the raised Hoffs are repro?

Why are you pouring salt into your own open wound? You could do this in private with him instead of being a diva and begging for support from anyone who happens to walk by this thread. Get in touch with him, have a discussion and then post results.

Think yourself lucky... other threads have been closed down for much lesser offences than your performance on this one. Here's an example: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=582878 Follow it through to the end and regardez vous the sarcastic (designed to kill the thread or save face) interjections from certain members that led to its closure.

[Jo Rivett]

Post 67

Röhm.
Not quite sure what the fuss is about, but i did say in post 67 of this thread...

a side note. I cant reply to posts i cant see, so to avoid people getting mad who may see me post after their posts, but not address them ... sorry.

[Röhm1929]

Yep. Just checked and you definitely did say that. Didn't want to hijack the thread but I see some Mist going on that I can't leave ignored.

[Jo Rivett]

Yep. Just checked ...

..and the "i cant reply" part is a link, and if it`s clicked a picture appears?

[SiPo]

By the way, what is your evidence the raised Hoffs are repro?

Hi Gary, there were some pretty good posts in the last thread on these raised Hoff's........

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ckpin+opinions


......and I think some of the comments my friend JoeW alludes to in the last post of that thread are important to note. Joe mentions that there is a distinct lack of documentary evidence concerning the manufacturing of these pins by Hoffstätter, and I know both JoeW and Jo Rivett have put a lot of research time into this. Joe also states that "The collector market will decide."

I cannot offer you solid evidence but what I can offer is my opinion, which is/was shared by some very learned collectors of these badges such as Bill Stump, John Peppera, Raymond Griffiths and a host of others past and present who ALL state these raised Hoff's are fake.

What can you offer?

As I also said in that thread, if you are happy with these then that is okay. I on the other hand am not.

[Wim Vangossum]

Yes, it has no sense to defend the raised Hoffstätter for ever. At the end you will stand alone. The collector community will eject this type of SS-zivilabzeichen and the same will happen with the M1/70 HJ Ehrenzeichen.



Regards, Wim