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    #31
    F.W. Assmann & Sohne Sales Catalog

    macca - I would really appreciate it if you'd post some pics of your badges. Painted M1/103 badges and enamel M1/8 badges are fairly unusual. However, I have never seen any example of an enamel M1/13 badge and I'd love some pics so I can add a new category to the site.

    As to the Assmann reprint, I've got to say that the copy I bought was a gorgeous reproduction (I was actually shocked about the quality of it). But there was one aspect of it that I immediately found disturbing. Although there was an English forward, it simply didn't give any indication as to when the original, on which it was based, was issued. I'm left wondering whether the reprint I own is a compilation of the more interesting pages of Assmann catalogs or whether it's a cut down version of a specific year. For example, the belt buckle section states it is page "1 and 6". Does that mean that only pages 1 and 6 of the belt buckle section are shown (and another four pages are not shown) or does that mean that only pages 1 and 6 of the original catalog displayed belt buckles.

    As to the date of origin, the forward of my reprint states that this is a, "facsimile reprint of the rare 1930's period catalog of this well-known manufacturer." I'm a little stumped that they don't know when the original copy, on which this was based, was printed. I can only assume it was in 1939 as objects bearing a 1939 date exist therein. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who can shed some light on this issue.

    Despite my concerns about what the reprint is, I have no doubt that at least painted Assmann party membership badges have an oval "O" and a spread "L-S" in the obverse legend (the spread "L-S" runs the whole range of the spectrum). I say this because the 50 plus badges I've seen all share this trait.

    I'm still working on the weights and blacklight issue.

    Frobler

    http://nsdapbadges.tripod.com

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      #32
      Thanks a lot! It is important to be educated in this hobby. I sincerely appreciate the links! Marvin

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        #33
        There must be more then one set of these Assmann catologs mine has no english forward in fact there is no referance made at all that it is a copy. The page for the N.S.D.A.P.-Abzeichen has three party pins of different sizes the smallest has a oval O the other two pins seem to have more rounded O's. And yes mine has the two buckle pages 1&6 but there are several more buckle pages without numbers.

        (AND THE BEAT GOES ON).

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          #34
          Assmann Catalog

          That's interesting as my copy has two pages of straight buckles (1 and 6), yet there are other pages spread throughout with the occasional buckle, and a couple of pages that seem to have just buckles. I suspect my copy has reorganized the pages pursuant to NSDAP organization. I also have, in relation to each page of pictures (some exceptions), a price list of the items by number. My copy was produced by Reddick Enterprises, Copyright 1992.

          I have the page with the 3 party badges of different sizes. Does your copy state its date of printing? (not just the reprint - but the original print). Also - does your copy contain a page with the 1939 examples? See below:



          Frobler

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            #35
            My copy of the Assmann catalog is an early reprint from the late 60's early 70's. It is in the original orange color cover but is softbound and has one of the plastic spiral "comb" devices as a spine. It has multiple pages of buckles from the various branches of service and political organizations as well as the "Blatt 1" and "Blatt 6" that has been referred to. It also does not have anything between 1 and 6, has no 1939 awards, has buckles represented for the LW in both upswept and downswept tail types, has a page on LW badges (pilot, pilot-observer, paratrooper, etc.). Each page is one sided and the page that faces the one with the pictures is a price list for the items depicted. In the 70's the word was that the difference between an original and a reprint was that the original was hardbound and the copy was not. There is no mention of a date anywhere in the copy I have, but I suspect that some pages were removed from the book before it came into my possession.

            Response to Macca regarding the lazy M. Once these were all considered fakes or something to avoid. I did not like them myself and considered all items with this M as suspect. The rumor then surfaced that these were produced outside of Germany, but that had little merit. Most RZM production (possibly all) was inside of Germany. I have since found at least one item that has a known pedigree and can be traced to the original owner that has a lazy M mark. It is a SA flagbearer's gorget where both the chain and the gorget have the lazy M. The chain is marked M1/17 and the gorget is marked M5/8 (both marks of Assmann). I have no doubt that the lazy M was used, and don't know why it is not seen more frequently. Based on the gorget, I would not consider any lazy M RZM mark as suspect if it were indicative of Assmann manufacture.
            Richard V

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              #36
              My copy of the Assmann catolog is the same as Richards. I got mine in the early 70's. at the Great Western gun show here in LA from a book dealer he had several and they were all the same none of them had any referance to date of printing or who was the company that published them.

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                #37
                nsdap party badge - assman

                Hello every body espesialy Frobler.Just to say that my M1 /13 wieghed in at 4.6 grames tomback made exact to the LEGEND.MI/8 4.7 grames smaller round affixing assy and M1/103 i will get back to u on that one(painted).Dont trust any book or Reprinted cat?GO ON KNOWN ORIGINALS AND MINE IS THE L/13.I will not let any body DISTUTE ME ON M1/13.I will send pics when the time is RIGHT.

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                  #38
                  BOOKS ECT

                  Guys come on? nazi militaria BIG business do not let any body FOOL US people.human beangs make a living out of this. make a living out of this?Whear dous it leave us GUYS ? WELL iwill tell u ONE thing and only ONE thing DONT BE SO GULLIBLE STICK TO U KNOW IS RIGHT EVEN IF IS NOT WORTH A HUNDRED POUNDS?PARTY BADGE GET MY DRIFT??????

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                    #39
                    Honestly? No, I don´t.

                    Cheers, Frank H.
                    Cheers, Frank

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                      #40
                      Same here

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                        #41
                        clarify please?

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                          #42
                          clarify

                          Originally posted by Marvin
                          clarify please?
                          GULLIBILITY.MY FRIEND NO dist respect

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                            #43
                            Enough

                            Alright mecca, apparently no one else is going to say it so I will. Cut the cryptic responses out and actually present a coherent position with supporting facts. But, most importantly, buy a spell checker. I am not going to respond to any further posts by you until you get it together. Garbled, incoherent messages about your viewpoint are not what this site is about. I think everyone's been quite polite up to this point, but enough is enough.

                            Frobler

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                              #44
                              Insults!

                              Hi Fober!,
                              Thank-you kindly for the message. One might-be technical with the spelling but hey who has got the toys to play with!!!!! Think about things before you you send a message & maybe you will still have contacts.
                              Kind regards,
                              Macca.

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                                #45
                                cant we all get along....

                                Hello all,

                                what happened??we had one of the best ,most detailed threads in a while going,Macca what is your major malfunction??When you post garrbled incoherant posts(I think everyone who read your post felt the same as frobler) expect someone to say something about it,hideing behind an alias and posting inncoherant/insulting posts will not make you alot of freinds on this Forum.getting back to the original thread,Frobler have you found any new info you can share with us,was there any merit to black light testing enamled membership badges?

                                Yancy

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