Unmarked Danzig Cross: real or fake?

[valsente]

Hello Guys,
I need your help about this cross. I've found on Waf the following thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=261391

in which it was discussed a Gottlieb's cross that seems veri similar to mine.
How about this one?
Thanks in adveance. Val

[Stan]

Danzig Cross 2nd Class

This cross is unfortunately a fake. Originals did not have holes in the crown.

Stan

[valsente]

This cross is unfortunately a fake. Originals did not have holes in the crown.

Stan

Hello Stan,
I received this cross in consignment from an Italian collector. When I said him that, probably, his cross was a fake he told me to have bought it from Craig Gottlieb and send his COA, come with the cross.
I think that at this point it would be very interesting to know Craig's opinion about it.

[Matthew]

Hello Stan,
I received this cross in consignment from an Italian collector. When I said him that, probably, his cross was a fake he told me to have bought it from Craig Gottlieb and send his COA, come with the cross.
I think that at this point it would be very interesting to know Craig's opinion about it.

Agreed- the cross looks now like it was dumped under the truck sometime in the last 3 years. Still as fake as it was back then but now aged as well.
Did he buy it in this condition (meaning enamel damages not present in 2007)?
Cheers
Matt

[valsente]

Collectors are just strange people. I asked the owner about the cross and I've known that he used it for some time as a key ring!
So the damages have been made by himself and the cross is the same of the one in Craig's expertise that you can see below.

[Danziger]

Hi there,

I think this cross may have been discussed before here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=danzig+cross

[Matthew]

At least he didn't destroy original cross.
Rene is right-it's the same cross in that thread- just look at the soiling on ribbon and the reverse hardware.

[valsente]

At least he didn't destroy original cross.
Rene is right-it's the same cross in that thread- just look at the soiling on ribbon and the reverse hardware.

OK, thanks, we know that but the problem remains: real or fake? ( in the other post too )

[Matthew]

Fake danzig

Fake IMO- ( in the other post too)

Cheers
Matt

[valsente]

In the other post Craig asserts that it is an original and, later, he formally guaranteed it in his COA. I think he has enough knowledge to say that and reputation to be believed. I'd like to hear his opinion about it.

[Danziger]

I have to agree with Matthew. I am collecting Danzig Crosses almost exclusively and in my opinion the parade mounted cross is not an original of the time period.

I also bought a beautiful Danzig Cross 2nd class with case from Craig and it is an absolute gem and in all parts original. That is not to say that sometimes items can slip through which are questionable.

[Craig Gottlieb]

I do remember that cased example ... great piece. On this, it's definitely the cross I sold, and my guarantee is 100% transferable. It certainly is not in the condition that I sold it (photos show that, compared to the letter of authenticity). I guess I ought to take the blood order off of my keychain