HJ RZM and GESCH

[KANTSLER]

Looks good to me, but would like to know what your thoughts are. Thanks

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[Gregorio Torres]

Good one

[Wiegert]

I thought a RZM mark and a Ges Gesch on the back of the enamel portion of the badge was a tell of it being a fake, unless the Ges Gesch was on the pin plate. Is that M1/78 or M1/178?

Cheers
Brian

[Wim Vangossum]

Paulmann & Crone is known for using both Ges. Gesch. and RZM on their party pins. And they seemed to do exactly the same with the HJ membership pin

Regards, Wim

[Wiegert]

Ah, so they didn't play the RZM game like every one else and got away with it? I don't recall ever seeing a badge by this maker. Probably why I got stumped on it.

Cheers
Brian

[KANTSLER]

is that m1/78 or m1/178?

Cheers
brian

m1/78

[Gregorio Torres]

I thought a RZM mark and a Ges Gesch on the back of the enamel portion of the badge was a tell of it being a fake, unless the Ges Gesch was on the pin plate. Is that M1/78 or M1/178?

Cheers
Brian

You´ll find a lot of exception to this rule, and this one is a good example.

[Wiegert]

I see that now. What other makers did this as well?

Cheers
Brian

[Jo Rivett]

I see that now. What other makers did this as well?

Cheers
Brian

Many. M1/70, M1/49, M1/29, M1/31, M1/72, M1/90, Deschler, Steinhauer ... the list goes on. I was going to comment on your rather Bold statement when you posted, but decided against it, as no matter how many times anything is discussed and explained, people always come up with their own version, or an "adapted" version that suits their needs.

Your original post should have read, Badges that are only marked GES.GESCH and RZM are post war Repros, But badges marked GES.GESCH, RZM and have some from of either makers name, or RZM contract number are known.

[sjl]

"Your original post should have read, Badges that are only marked GES.GESCH and RZM are post war Repros, But badges marked GES.GESCH, RZM and have some from of either makers name, or RZM contract number are known. "

Exactly.

The "Ges. Gesch." mark, meaning "Legally Protected" or the equivalent of "Trademarked", was effectively made redundant by the RZM system of licensing and marking, which was to control use and manufacture of Party insignia. Still, a few makers continued to double mark, especially in the early years of the RZM. The double marking tailed off for most once the RZM system matured.