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    HJ RZM and GESCH

    Looks good to me, but would like to know what your thoughts are. Thanks

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    Good one

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      #3
      I thought a RZM mark and a Ges Gesch on the back of the enamel portion of the badge was a tell of it being a fake, unless the Ges Gesch was on the pin plate. Is that M1/78 or M1/178?

      Cheers
      Brian
      Last edited by Wiegert; 06-09-2011, 12:29 PM.

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        #4
        Paulmann & Crone is known for using both Ges. Gesch. and RZM on their party pins. And they seemed to do exactly the same with the HJ membership pin

        Regards, Wim
        Freedom is not for Free

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          #5
          Ah, so they didn't play the RZM game like every one else and got away with it? I don't recall ever seeing a badge by this maker. Probably why I got stumped on it.

          Cheers
          Brian

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            #6
            Originally posted by wiegert View Post
            is that m1/78 or m1/178?

            Cheers
            brian
            m1/78

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              Originally posted by Wiegert View Post
              I thought a RZM mark and a Ges Gesch on the back of the enamel portion of the badge was a tell of it being a fake, unless the Ges Gesch was on the pin plate. Is that M1/78 or M1/178?

              Cheers
              Brian
              You´ll find a lot of exception to this rule, and this one is a good example.

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                #8
                I see that now. What other makers did this as well?

                Cheers
                Brian

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Wiegert View Post
                  I see that now. What other makers did this as well?

                  Cheers
                  Brian
                  Many. M1/70, M1/49, M1/29, M1/31, M1/72, M1/90, Deschler, Steinhauer ... the list goes on. I was going to comment on your rather Bold statement when you posted, but decided against it, as no matter how many times anything is discussed and explained, people always come up with their own version, or an "adapted" version that suits their needs.

                  Your original post should have read, Badges that are only marked GES.GESCH and RZM are post war Repros, But badges marked GES.GESCH, RZM and have some from of either makers name, or RZM contract number are known.

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                    "Your original post should have read, Badges that are only marked GES.GESCH and RZM are post war Repros, But badges marked GES.GESCH, RZM and have some from of either makers name, or RZM contract number are known. "

                    Exactly.

                    The "Ges. Gesch." mark, meaning "Legally Protected" or the equivalent of "Trademarked", was effectively made redundant by the RZM system of licensing and marking, which was to control use and manufacture of Party insignia. Still, a few makers continued to double mark, especially in the early years of the RZM. The double marking tailed off for most once the RZM system matured.

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