Opinions wanted

[James Noble]

That website has been closed down a great resource gone. No one seems to know what happened to Frobler.

[Brig]

that's the second time it's shut down, maybe it's moving like it did the first time? it was a GREAT site

[Hasse.M]

Hi and thank you all for helping me out here, much appreciated

So in your opinions these 3 items is original, no? (more opinions are welcome offcourse)

I will sell them for 70euro all three together if they are original.
Best regards: Hasse.M

[James Noble]

Hasse, Your SA stickpin and NSDAP Party badge look good. The front of the HJ badge looks good also but as I can't get a good look at the reverse markings and this is the first I have seen without a RZM mark I would have to give it a guarded okay.

[Brig]

what's 70 Euro translate to in US dollars?

[DanCz]

Believe me they still use "glass" - in fact I have never seen plastic used. Modern copies are extremely well done and will fool the unwary - the main give away is that they look they were made yesterday - - - and well they probabley were !!!

Many copies made during the mid/late sixties are now beginning to appear regularly on the collectors market - - these are RZM and m/m and of course show genuine signs of age.

However, none posted are in my opinion fake - - in fact they are in a well collectable condition.

[Hasse.M]

Hasse, Your SA stickpin and NSDAP Party badge look good. The front of the HJ badge looks good also but as I can't get a good look at the reverse markings and this is the first I have seen without a RZM mark I would have to give it a guarded okay.

Sorry for the bad pictures. Damn camera...
Anyway the HJ badge is RZM marked

Many thanks to all of you for taking time!

[Bob Komorowski]

The usage of the terminology "glass" by some of you is rather unnerving; "glass" was not used at all in the making of these enamel badges. They used a special kind of enamel PAINT; that's why they are called enamel badges. This special enamel paint was applied by artisans (with very steady hands); then the badges or medals were placed on a screen; then the enameled items on the screen were placed into a kiln oven for hard-fired "baking" under heat where the enamel is hardened. Please take a look at the pictures of this process on page 70 of Jack Angolia's Volume 2 "Political/Civil Awards of the 3dReich" (For Führer & Fatherland).

[TerryG]

enamel

The usage of the terminology "glass" by some of you is rather unnerving; "glass" was not used at all in the making of these enamel badges. They used a special kind of enamel PAINT; that's why they are called enamel badges. This special enamel paint was applied by artisans (with very steady hands); then the badges or medals were placed on a screen; then the enameled items on the screen were placed into a kiln oven for hard-fired "baking" under heat where the enamel is hardened. Please take a look at the pictures of this process on page 70 of Jack Angolia's Volume 2 "Political/Civil Awards of the 3dReich" (For Führer & Fatherland).

I do not have a copy of this book so I cannot comment on it. I was however under the impression that "enamel is created through a firing process causing glass powder to melt and fuse to create the surface of the badge" (not my words but those of www.nsdapbadges.com)

[Bob Komorowski]

In the 1870's, the Company Ahrens subsidiary in Tokio, Japan, employed a German chemist Gottfried von Wagner, who introduced a wide range of bright new color pasty paints to replace the old rather limited palette then in use by Japanese enamelers. The WW2 German production information I have came from Jon R. Cone, author of "One People, One Reich, Enameled Organizational Badges of Germany", which agrees with the wartime photographs of Nazi enamels production shown in Angolia's book, the artisans are using fine brushes. The enamel paints used by these enamelers was a paint made from a finely-grained glass powder base. Special brushes were used with great skill. I'm sure nervous smokers with shaky hands were given the pink slip.

[R v Kempen]

Heres a link called"the making of a Mothers cross".
There is a small pic of a man putting the enamel on it and putting them in the oven.http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=mothers+cross


Hasse

IMO Nice original badges


Richard

[Bob Komorowski]

Those are the same pictures as shown in Angolia's Volume 2.

[Hasse.M]

Heres a link called"the making of a Mothers cross".
There is a small pic of a man putting the enamel on it and putting them in the oven.http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=mothers+cross


Hasse

IMO Nice original badges


Richard

Thank you

[James Noble]

what's 70 Euro translate to in US dollars?

As of right now $86.69 USD