Fire Brigade Cross

[James Noble]

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[Macmedal]

I have only seen a couple of originals of these scarce awards and neither had any markings on the back. The pin was also a narow coke bottle type/tapered pin.

I do have a picture but it is copyright to another member so cant post it.

[sauerland]

Here's another questionable Fireman's cross.
Sauerland, If you have a RZM code list for meeting badges M/9 you will find
W. Kolwitz listed there, Also reread you cameras instruction book on the proper use of the auto-focus it looks like your having the same problem I had when I first started shooting my badges.

Thanks for the tip on my play school camera James i`ll read the manual again. The spelling on my cross is Kolwtz no (I) in the name : sauerland

[John Bart]

Here's another questionable Fireman's cross.
Sauerland, If you have a RZM code list for meeting badges M/9 you will find
W. Kolwitz listed there, Also reread you cameras instruction book on the proper use of the auto-focus it looks like your having the same problem I had when I first started shooting my badges.

My thanks to all. Good things come to he who waits?..............
John

[DanCz]

Personally I would be extremely wary of any award piece with an M9/...maker mark. This is because M9/ is the RZM pre-fix to the unique manufacturers identifier for an approved maker of day badges or "tinnies".I do have a first class Social Welfare Cross marked with manufacturers name / town on the reverse - it is very well made and I would be inclined to say it is museum display copy because of the quality. It could be a high class fake of course but a genuine award piece it most certainly is not.

[Gerd Becker]

James, do you know, if such a RZM-listing is online available?

best,
Gerd

[WARLORD]

The cross is larger than the normal ribbon type. It is vaulted with a plain reverse with a thin pin. Unfortunatly I can not post a scan. I can do this on Third Reich Collectors Community if that helps along with the other Fire cross's

[burgerhaus]

Fire Brigade Quandry

Well, here we have it. Quite a few members with a "questionable" fire brigade cross and no one with an authentic piece. I implore Mr. Lumdsen, our famous author and forum member to shed a little light on this subject. Surely DETECTING THE FAKES would impart a little info on this piece. The only way we can rid our collections of fakes is to identify them concretely and remove them.
Burgerhaus

[WARLORD]

I have given a brief description of the original fire cross 1st Class. I have one in my collection, but am unable to post a picture on the forum. As stated I can on the one already mentioned. The pieces with makers names on the reverse are copys. There are a number of diferent forms and pin constructions. There is also a very convincing varriation on the 1st and 2nd class on ribbon that employs a new form cross withe the State motive substituted by the circle with swastica. The arms of the cross in this are larger at the ends than at the centre. I hope this clears up the missunderstanding for members who have fake cross's

[John Bart]

Warlord,
Thanks for your comments. Well appreciated.
............... John

[Gerd Becker]

Hi John,

this one is for sale on a german dealers site. He states, the measurements are 60x60mm. Looks good IMO.

best,
Gerd

[Gerd Becker]

back:

[John Bart]

Hi Gerd,
Thanks a million!
Regards,
............ John

[Ken Brown]

Fire Brigade Cross

Here I have another version with different pin

[RonR]

An original with a ribbon model for size comparison............


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