NSDAP 25 year Long Service award

[RonR]

[JoeW]

Well Jeff, if it is a casting, they did a good job of maintaining dimensions. Mine measures 42.24mm both ways. What is your diagonal width tip longest ray to tip longest ray? And thickness of the edge? The eagle head on yours is a bit squeezed compared to the other three and the breast lacks feather detail.

[Thomas Bendixen]

I just measured my bronce grade and it has same size, not that it changes my views on the cross in question. I simply can't accept that one of the highest NSDAP orders was made in such bad quality and a quality that is distinctivly different in details from others and all I have seen pictured in books.

Cheers Thomas

[Ron Weinand]

25 Yr. NSDAP Cross

I have examined several of these, to include those numbered 19 on the ring and NONE of these show exceptional manufacture or workmanship in my opinion. These are NOT one of the better manufactured German medals. IT runs along the lines of the Feldherrnhalle Dagger where quality is concerned.
JMO,
Ron Weinand

[Jeff Davis]

I have examined several of these, to include those numbered 19 on the ring and NONE of these show exceptional manufacture or workmanship in my opinion. These are NOT one of the better manufactured German medals. IT runs along the lines of the Feldherrnhalle Dagger where quality is concerned.
JMO,
Ron Weinand

Ron, I totally agree with you. Sometimes with this award collecting we tend to drive ourselves nuts overthinking things.

Joe, Ray to ray it measures at 44.75 mm, thickness on the edge is 2 mm.

Jeff

[mario]

I am sure this thread will be of help

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=NSDAP+25

[Ron Weinand]

WELL DONE MARJO. The flaw! The flaw!!
Ron Weinand

[JoeW]

Tip of ray to tip of ray is 45.5mm. The weight is 24.6 g.

[Jeff Davis]

Joe, I do not have a scale to weigh it..

Mario, Thank you for finding the thread. I do not know how I missed that one.

[WARLORD]

I hope that this might be a little help on this extreemly interesting award. Also I hope it might bring into focust the type that has been described as the Femal form. Others have thought it to be a "Jwellers conversion". The two types the neck cross and pin backed are indeed a form on their own. As yet only two sets are known.

http://stirnpanzer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=881

[JoeW]

Jeff, a small pocket jeweler's scale is really an indispensable investment.

Christopher, does your documentation indicate the pins were prototypes before or after the the Org Book standard design of the female party long service award?

[Stan]

NSDAP 25 yr cross

This is my cross which has been discussed before on the thread which Mario has provided the link for in reply #51. It is the same cross as is shown on p70 in Littlejohn & Dodkins 1968 book. According to Warlord, Dodkins purchased this cross in 1952.

The size is 43.5mm wide and 43.8mm high. It weighs approx 38g.

The 3 differences between my cross and the one which started the thread are the gold colour, the "o"in the middle of the upper arm and the stripe "flaw" in the ribbon.

I too would disagree with Thomas's comment about the quality of the "19" marked crosses. I have been offered two of these crosses in the past year and neither of them matched the quality of the cross I already own.

Whether or not the cross shown at the start of the thread is original, I do not know. I do however believe there to be more than one manufacturer.

Stan

[WARLORD]

I think Joe there is cofusion here. The femal form was the normal cross, that is good for the 10, 15 and 25 year cross. That is to say, worn round the neck supported by a ribbon of the minauter size. The neck cross and the pin backed cross are proto types of the award. These are not to be confused with the standard award pieces 10, 15 and 25 year cross.

There is regulation that indicated that the 25 year cross could be awarded for death in service of the Party. This basically was to replace some of the awards of the Blood Order. This fitted with the introduction of the German Order. There was obviously a large void for service to the NSDAP. THE 3 VARRIATIONS IN RIBBON ALSO HIGH LIGHT THIS. I have been working on the subject for 30 years and still finding more.

Hence we have the, Silver Party badge, Golden Party Badge, Rune Stern then German Order. This was also linked into the Eagle Order. Conclusion, a serise of awards, first to Germans or Riech Citezens, then for Foriegners.

[ChrisH]

ohh, a very interested theard
i bought the same cross , same charakter directly by the family
o.k.,maybe repalced on the ribbonbar after the war, but all 3 crosses 100% family found, and another 100% found in over 90 years grandma,s jewelery-box

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=268925

[JoeW]

Thank you for your explanation Christopher.

But there seems to be two variations of the "unknown" maker as Stan and ChrisH's awards have the die flaw "circle" on the reverse upper rim, while Jeff's award shows that flaw on the obverse rim. Both seem to have the die flaw feather and the eagle/wreath mounted off horizontal, higher on the right.

Stan, while you may not appreciate the quality of the "19" crosses that we own, at least our eagle/wreaths were not applied off-center.