Jos Fuess GPB

[Wim Vangossum]

Hi everyone,

Have you notice the selled Jos Feuss GPB on Detlev's site today?

Regards, Theo

[Mike Pinkus]

yes i did...was going to start a thread myself Theo but you beat me too it...thats one of the new bad ones isnt it
wonder if we should mention that to Detlev...
hope no one on this board picked it up
mike

[dogtagman]

I saw it too, and first thought "cheap one" but then, uhhh ohhh fake badge...

one guy from a german communitiy wrote to him that the badge is fake and he just said that it isn´t a fake... and the best is, it´s sold!


What do we have to think about it? In my opinion these badges are fakes!

[sjl]

Someone asked me to look at it, and IMHO it is indeed a fake, shown by the thick, uniform lettering, too-tall maker's name on the pinplate and with repeating numbers. These are from a supposedly Austrian batch from the 1980s - maybe Souval.

[Bill G.]

Gpb

I know this type of GPB was heavily discussed on the German Uniforms Forum a while back. At some point, it apparently surfaced that the badge was distributed out of Austria in the 1980's. I would think by now that everyone was up to speed on this one. Initially, it was thought to be a variation due to the quality of the enamel work.

[Wim Vangossum]

I don't understand why some of these major dealers, knowing for their quality, still selling these things! If you have seen 1 genuine Feuss in reality you have to now how it must look. That they sometimes get a lot of headache to figure out which Knight Cross is genuine and which one is a clever fake, I can understand regarding the several makers etc... But in this case we talk about one maker with a very distinctive made Badge!

Regards, Theo

[sjl]

xx

[Niblet]

No need to contact him,,i'm sure he knows what he's doing

[Gary Symonds]

No need to contact him,,i'm sure he knows what he's doing

Maybe Delev is right. Maybe the "Austrian" fake is nothing more that a minor change in manufacturing. Maybe this is another collector myth that everybody believes in a lock step such as the 6 strand SS cuff bands that for years were branded fakes, only to find out they were originals.

Detlev who has written major books on the subject is not convinced and neither am I.

If these are reproductions, one whould think the market would be flooded with them and someone would still be pumping them out. That is not the case. Where are the others?

The quality of these badges matches known originals.

[adren]

Hi Gary, here is a piece that was just on sale on e-stand and was removed and was subsequently cross-referenced to a completely another badge with same issue number:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=500019

The "austrian-fake" version is a badge I personally would not touch even with a pole but can't speak for others of course.

Best Regards,

Adren

[Gary Symonds]

Hi Gary, here is a piece that was just on sale on e-stand and was removed and was subsequently cross-referenced to a completely another badge with same issue number:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=500019

The "austrian-fake" version is a badge I personally would not touch even with a pole but can't speak for others of course.

Best Regards,

Adren

Adren:
Thanks for the reply. However, the 3105 badge has the extra lines on top of each of the surrounding oakleaves, and the so called "Austrian" does not. You are comparing apples and oranges. Where are the pics showing three #33333 badges. I am still waiting.
Gary

[Matthew]

The badge you're talking about is the EXACT same badge that was cross-referenced before. Just in case someone thinks there are two different ones with same number.
cheers
Matt

[adren]

Thanks for correction, 3105 badge is not the "austrian-fake" model, got mixed up!

Best Regards,

Adren

[ErichS]

Maybe Delev is right. Maybe the "Austrian" fake is nothing more that a minor change in manufacturing. Maybe this is another collector myth that everybody believes in a lock step such as the 6 strand SS cuff bands that for years were branded fakes, only to find out they were originals.

Detlev who has written major books on the subject is not convinced and neither am I.

If these are reproductions, one whould think the market would be flooded with them and someone would still be pumping them out. That is not the case. Where are the others?

The quality of these badges matches known originals.

If you're happy with having one in your collection that's fine, but you will have a problem if you try and sell it.

[Gary Symonds]

If you're happy with having one in your collection that's fine, but you will have a problem if you try and sell it.

The problem could be that as collectors we are accepting a myth because some senior guys believe it. Where is the evidence? Where are the pictures of three (3!) "Austrian" Fuess badges with the number 33333? I bet they don't exist. If you want to accept things on faith alone, great. I want proof and all I get is the same stuff over and over again. "Well if you like it, blah, blah, blah". That is NOT an adequate substitute for evidence. Where is the beef?