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    #1

    SS Stick Pin manufactured by Otto Gahr

    Hello,
    if someone has photos of a ss stick pin manufactured by Otto Gahr, then i would be pleased if they could be posted here, i know the Hoffstätter ones but i´m not sure about the backsides of the ones by Gahr , the only one that could be of him and that i saw had a engraved number on the backside and not a stamped one, the needle was soldered and the only think that was readable was the word München ,the word or words above had been covered by the needle plate
    thanks
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    i can not belief it, is there noone that can show a picture of a gahr SS pin

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      #3
      ok, so i will show you some pictures of a pin that i belief it could be a gahr one, the number has been engraved and not stamped, you can see that the number has been engraved after the pin with small plate had been soldered onside the back, the word münchen is clearly readable , the word over münchen is nearly unreadable, there is some solder on it and a part of the pinplate but i mean to see that the first letter is a G and the last of what i see from it is a R
      the stick-pin is defenetly an old one and i don´t know another manufactor of these pins then Hoffst. or Gahr, that´s the reason why i asked for a photo from another Gahr peace to compare them both
      so,here are my photos now



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        #4
        A Gahr badge is shown in JR Cone's "One People, One Reich, Enameled Organizational Badges of Germany 1918 - 1945"

        The reverse should be hallmarked 900 Silber. Also the style of maker mark used is totally different to the one you show.

        Cheers
        Don

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          #5
          hello Don,
          thats very interresting, i do not know this book but when you say that it is totally different,then there must me a third maker of these badges, i defenetly know that these badge is a period one because i know where it comes from and that there is no chance that it is a new or faked one, the carrier of this badge told me himself that this is the original one he was wearing in this time, he never had another one or bought a new one after the war
          so the new question should be if there are any variations of this pin known or if anyone can tell more about these pins, may be you could look another time into this book if you find some more information
          thanks

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            #6
            The maker is the same "Gahr München" but the way that it is marked into the reverse is different, pus it is 900 Silber.

            I'm not saying that yours or the one in the book are bad, just that they are different.

            Cheers
            Don

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              #7
              Hi

              The Gahr produced pins that I have seen have the following characteristics on the back:

              1. The issue number is hand engraved at the top

              2. The words 'Gahr Munchen' feature at the bottom and the lettering curves around the pin recess.

              3. The word 'Silber' appears on the left

              4. The silver content appears on the right. This is usually '900'

              5. There is a recess for the pin assembly to fit into.

              I seem to find out something new about these pins every few weeks, so I would not discount this pin straight away.

              It would be good to see some photographs of the pin taken straight on so I can see the markings better.

              All the best

              Raymond

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                #8
                mine seems to be a solid silver one too cause of the patina inside the engraved numbers but there is no silver stamp onside, is there anything written inside the book about the numbers that were onside the Gahr badges, as an example that he used numbers up to 4000 or up to 6000 on his pins
                Lars

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                  #9
                  here is another view of the back, there you can clearly see that the pin is engraved by hand, the letters have a height of at about 1mm

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                    #10
                    Hi,

                    The example in Cone's book has number 7391. The "3" has a flat top instead of being a rounded one (like a "3") on the date of an normal EK. Cone speaks about a size of 14,5mm and he mentioned that not al the badges had a silver mark? Thats just what I can read in the book. Personnaly I find your badge at least very special and hopeful even a good variant? More opinions, or maybe a lucky owner of such a badge?

                    Regards, Theo
                    Freedom is not for Free

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                      #11
                      iltisfront,

                      The following are some photos of Gahr pins in my collection. The first and second photo is of the Gahr pin #7391 with the original case as pictured in the cone book that I bought from Cone many years ago.

                      John Pepera
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                      Last edited by John Pepera; 06-15-2007, 11:38 PM.

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                        #12
                        Gahr # 7391 case as pictutred in the Cone book.
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                          #13
                          Gahr # 7676
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                            Gahr un-numbered
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                              #15
                              iltisfront,

                              And finally, a Gahr pin like yours with serial number 11872.

                              Undoubtedly, your pin is an original albeit like the #11872 pictured, having a variation of the manufacturers logo differing from the normally seen. However, as evidenced in my photos, Gahr did have different ways of marking his logo on his pins.

                              Incidentally, all of the Gahr pins in my collection and everyone that I have ever obeserved, have had 'hand engraved' numerals.

                              The Gahr pins are extemly scarce and too locate any is quite a discovery. There is very little information specifically and directly related about Gahr pins and to whom they were 'awarded?' In reading the Gahr book, the relevant information is rather scetchy and un-revealing.

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