hj gold leaders badge

[stuart a.]

im on a luky streek at the mo just been offered this badge now dont know if i can afford it after just buying the 2 kreiss badges but he only wants £200 for it which is good if its genuine and expensive if its a fake what do you think cheap badge or expensive fake
stu

[stuart a.]

heres the reverse

[EK_Friend]

Hi STu,
looks good to me. Please compaire it. Important are the fine Lines in the Numbers. Here is my HJ Leader Sports Badge.
Best Regards
Stefan

[Robin Lumsden]

Looks OK to me too.

Stu..........you say you have just bought Kreis badges.

Did you notice that the back section of the HJ badge is identical to the back section of the Kreissieger badge? These sections were interchangeable by the maker.

Another piece of useless information!

[Stan]

HJ Sports Leader's Badge

Stu,

Textbook example and identical to the one I bought in 1989 for £300!!

Stan

[Robin Lumsden]

Stu,

Textbook example and identical to the one I bought in 1989 for £300!!

Stan

Stan.
That's what I was thinking.
I also bought one of these around the same time for about the same price.......and it probably hasn't increased in value by a penny since then!

[Christopher G.]

Very nice and a good price......this is really one of my favorite awards of the whole Third Reich era and this is coming from one of the crazed PAB guys !

Regards,
Chris G.

[sparks]

Looks OK to me too.

Stu..........you say you have just bought Kreis badges.

Did you notice that the back section of the HJ badge is identical to the back section of the Kreissieger badge? These sections were interchangeable by the maker.

Another piece of useless information!

Interesting point Robin, I had not noticed this despite owning both and even having them displayed side by side...

Stu, if you dont want it i'll have it for £200..
Regards.
Col.

[douglynn]

out standing i hate you guys for keep showing, cos now i gota get me one of those,well done

[Richard]

Looks OK to me too.

Stu..........you say you have just bought Kreis badges.

Did you notice that the back section of the HJ badge is identical to the back section of the Kreissieger badge? These sections were interchangeable by the maker.

Another piece of useless information!

Robin, how would they be interchangeable? I see they look very similar when you look at the obverse wreath but the rear of the HJ badges are usually marked with an RZM number that is raised and the sieger badges have a raised makers mark. This would mean that, at very least, if an obverse and reverse die were used, the reverse die would have to be different for the two badges. I've never taken apart a sieger badge but would speculate that the lettering and date on the obverse were an integral part of the die and therefore the lettering would need to be filed off of a completed, struck example to be used in the HJ badge.
Richard V

[torstenbel]

Stu, if you have the money...go get it ... its a bargain ... Cheers, Torsten.