Braunschweig SA Badge

[ben baars]

There are a number of variations of Braunschweig badges--briefly, and in roughly chronological order:
1. The early, round type. Most if not all of those pictured in reference books are fakes, but there are a few period photos showing them being worn.
2. The hollow stamped oval version unmarked
3. The hollow stamped oval version marked
4. The aluminum solid RZM marked version
5. The aluminum alloy (white metal) RZM marked version

Personally, I don't like the posted badge--most of the stamped examples have better detail to the leaves, eagle, and lettering.

Erich

IMHO= In my humble opinion

Erich , thanks for your good information.
Cheers,
Benten

[Gregorio Torres]

Well, 4 person votes that this is good and 3 votes no. The badge is mine (it******180;s in my collection 11 years ago) and Km-Spain (thank you very much Eduardo) have posted the pics for me.
Personally I don******180;t like the head of the eagle, but all the rest in this item is Ok for me in design, details, hardware, ect. Sorry, Shaun and Erich cause the pics are not the best but the details are really very good defined. I******180;ll try to get best photographs to be posted. The previous pics are both scanned.
My question is, had you seen any other examples of originals of the second model of this badge with this kind of head in the eagle?
A story about this second model. Perhaps you had heard it before: Somebody ( a well known writer and investigator on german medals) told me that there is a confusion with this model of badge cause in 1960******180;s a box of them (unworn originals) appeared in a store, in Germany. When this lot came into the market many people thought that they was remanufactured in the time when they was found, just because a high number of this rare item appears in one day, but similar examples did exist before, so they had to be originals. Anyway, the bad fame of this model was spreading and it******180;s evident today.
Thank you and best regards from Spain.
Gregorio

[Roman (Russia)]

Personally, I don't like the posted badge--most of the stamped examples have better detail to the leaves, eagle, and lettering.

Thanks Erich for supporting my opinion
My first brauschweig badge was fake form Weitze. And those badge looked like author's badge.

My website is down now but i try to post a foto of my original badge.

[Gregorio Torres]

Hi Roman.
Is this the fake badge what you are talking?

[Roman (Russia)]

Hi Roman.
Is this the fake badge what you are talking?

No, this is my original badge.

[km-spain]

More detailed pictures of the badge.

Thanks all for your help .

Eagle

[km-spain]

Center

[km-spain]

Back side

[Gregorio Torres]

As you can see in the new pictures (still not the best but better than the first) the details are quite sharp and well defined. At less they are so defined as in the Roman´s example.
Please, have the people who didn´t like the badge any more evidence to say than this is not an original??? But please, don´t say just "I don´t like". It´s important for me.
Thank you in advance.
Gregorio

[Erich B.]

Take a look at a German dealer who updated his listings today and you will see 2 Treffen badges that are exactly the same as this one--funny shaped eagle heads, same 'wear' to the head of the eagle, same details. The badge posted by Roman shows the details that I like to see, with the correctly formed eagle. Both on the solid type and the hollow type, RZM or unmarked, they look like this and not the 'funny' type.
Erich

[Gregorio Torres]

Thank you Erich.
If this german dealer who you and me know give a positive vote, then I have more guarantee about the authenticity of this item. Several month before, the greatest american dealer on german badges had another one exactly like this in his website.
Honestly, I think that my badge may have this slight variation (just the head of the eagle) as result of using a diferent die. It happens in a lot of cases in diferent kind of medal and badges. After a carefull examination I can not see any other problem in it, and the evidence that this model exist at least in the 60´s is a good signal too.
Anycase, if somebody get more info about this model, please, let us know.
Thank you very much and best regards from Spain.

[Roman (Russia)]

Final post at the thread

Still don't like authors' badge.

Just let's compare.

[Stan]

SA Treffen Badge

1. The early, round type. Most if not all of those pictured in reference books are fakes, but there are a few period photos showing them being worn.


Erich,

Herewith my 1st type round badge. It is made of steel. Recipients scratched details "Ilse Tess-Burgh. Hamburg. St. Georgstr. 16 III".

I think it's a beauty. You may disagree!

Stan

[Stan]

SA Treffen Badge

Reverse.

Stan

[Erich B.]

Roman--I agree 100%. My point was not to imply the badge in question was good, but rather the opposite.
Stan--very interesting. Most that I've seen offered are the hollow type, which is similar but not identical to your solid example. Is there a safety pin instead of the regular pin on the reverse? Is one wing of the eagle smaller and lower than the other? On the hollow examples I've seen, it's a very distinctive malformation, but I can't tell for sure if yours is like that.
Erich