Hi all what are peoples thought on this one?
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I don't. The embroidery of such collar patches is superb. Anyway with originals. The stitching of the material is too loose! Are there templates beneath the embroidery?Originally posted by Gary Symonds View Post
But as said: this is my opinion.Comment
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I have to agree with Mr Saris, I don't like it too, for the same reasons.Originally posted by wilhelm Saris View PostStraßburger / When in doubt do without...
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Agree--also the wool fabric does not appear to be the correct weave/thickness, and the backing is not what one would normally expect in a period SA tab.
ErichFestina lente!Comment
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One look fake! Pattern is similar to a real one, but the velvet is incorrect, the buckram is off and the execution and workmanship are atrocious!
AlenComment
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Just have a look at the embroidery of the collar-patch as shown in the SA-book from Halcomb (1983)Originally posted by wilhelm Saris View Post
from the Delich-collection (page 108 and other high ranked ones pages 109 and 111).
Observe and see the difference (in technique and superb quality).
It is my opinion that when having seen (or held) an original, one does not doubt about others when
seeing them!Comment
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from Mike Holverson's site...Comment
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I recall seeing a film of Viktor Lutze -- possibly a home movie by Eva Braun, Heinrich Hoffmann or someone else close to the Inner Circle -- which showed Lutze fairly close-up, wearing his Stabschef tunic, and the collar tabs on his uniform appeared to have facets which were reflective or glinted in the light. I've never forgotten that likeness of Lutze's collar tabs and wondered whether all of the other Reichsleiter-grade tabs had the same quality as his did...
Br. JamesComment
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Wim, I think you misunderstood me. The basic pattern (perhaps design would be a better word?) is very similar to the pattern of an original Stabschef (RFSS, Reichsjugendführer, NSKK Korpsfuhrer) tab. There are tree large central oakleaves surrounded by a partial wreath of laurel (?) leaves, the two halves of which are tied together at the bottom. True, the number of laurel leaves and berries are not necessarily the same as an original, but these differences might be considered details.
It is the execution of the basic pattern that is horrendously bad.
AlenComment
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There are two separate Stabschef tab designs. The 1934-38 style has larger oakleaves in the center and does not have the bow and ribbon on the bottom. These tabs as shown by Rick C are the second pattern design that were first worn by Lutze starting in 1938 and later by Schepmann. Huhnlein also in 1938 started wearing this type design with the bow and ribbon on the bottom of his tabs as well. It is stated that Huhnlein wore the pattern without the bow and ribbon but this is incorrect. The myth about his tabs came about from retouched photos that showed him with first style tabs -- which he never wore. Sorry for rambling on.
Mark CostaComment
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I am not talking about the design, it is the way of embroidery, which tells it is not good.Originally posted by rbno View Post
Remind the HJ-leader Axmann also did wear a look-a-like pattern. His larger leaves are not tight together.
The Original patches for Axmann are in my HJ-handbook, page 417. If you have a look at the workmanship then you will understand what I do mean.
The set (from the Delich-collection) shown is beautiful.
Kraus the new NSKK leader did wear the patches with the ribbons below (volume 4 "Headgear of Hitler's Germany", page 227). Hühnlein and Kraus
both did wear the symbol with ribbon upon the left side of the field cap. The 1936 pattern patches from Hühnlein are quite different in their look.
They do not have the ribbon at the base of the larger leaves (according the regulation plate XII). And so it was in the 1935 regulation. Have seen a
photo wearing this pattern in Angolia page 80. On page 81 is the new pattern photo which does not have the ribbon.Last edited by wilhelm Saris; 01-08-2020, 05:09 AM.Comment
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Mr Saris:
Just an FYI. The photos of Huhnlein on page 81 in Angolia both are retouched. The original photos show him wearing the collar tabs on page 80. He never wore the pattern without the bows/ribbons at the bottom. He wore the "half wreath" types on page 80 until Sept 1938. Then he wore the style with the bow and ribbons from then on until his death in 1942.
Mark CostaComment
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The upper photo from Hühnlein on page 81 shows the exact same collar-patches as worn by Axmann (and Himmler). No bow at the base. Axmann's version never had them! This do show numerous photos of him during the years!Comment
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