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    SA Marine badge

    Hi can anyone tell if this is ok and is it SA marine i got it today with a group of KM badges but from a collector not a vet i havent had one before and isnt my thing
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      #3
      thanks Gary

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        IMO hard to say with any certainty. Bullion wreaths with no center device are not uncommon, and, of course, cap eagles are easily found.
        Erich
        Festina lente!

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          #5
          The 2 badges are original but seems not to be together for a very long time ...
          Nick

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            Photos are known where the early eagle shines from the navy-like wreath, see for example pages 493 and 494 in volume 3 from "Headgear of Hitler's Germany".
            Normally with this wreath the SA cockade should be postioned and above that the larger SA eagle.

            Maybe the two are put together after the war. This is difficult to prove.

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              Originally posted by Erich B. View Post
              IMO hard to say with any certainty. Bullion wreaths with no center device are not uncommon, and, of course, cap eagles are easily found.
              Erich
              but this wreath isnt the standard navy wreath

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                Originally posted by wilhelm Saris View Post
                Photos are known where the early eagle shines from the navy-like wreath, see for example pages 493 and 494 in volume 3 from "Headgear of Hitler's Germany".
                Normally with this wreath the SA cockade should be postioned and above that the larger SA eagle.

                Maybe the two are put together after the war. This is difficult to prove.
                showed it to a fellow collector last night who looked it up and same badge is on page 275 277 279 280 Cloth insignia of the NSDAP and SA no cockade just eagle on a wreath

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                  I do have some suspicions on the eagle. Looks like a modern repro eagle but can't tell unless there are closeups and pics of the back.

                  Mil

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                    Originally posted by gary symonds View Post
                    original.
                    I have to amend my original opinion. The more I look at the eagle, the more it looks either modern, or if original, added to the bullion wreath.

                    Here is my SA Marine example, for whatever it is worth.
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                      Originally posted by Lloyds View Post
                      showed it to a fellow collector last night who looked it up and same badge is on page 275 277 279 280 Cloth insignia of the NSDAP and SA no cockade just eagle on a wreath
                      with the official wreath for naval SA (the lower version), as introduced in about 1933/1934, there never was a cockade added. First the eagle fitted within the wreath (as shown by mr. Symonds) and with a later date the eagle was on top, the wreath with swastika resting in the open space.

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                        The RZM pages mention the bullion wreath but there are no close up photo nor specific details about its appearance that I can find. There are photos in modern reference books, like Wim's excellent headgear reference, but it's usually impossible to see the actual bullion detail from a period photo of a cap being worn. The wreaths on the pictured caps from collections may or may not be original Marine SA, since there is no standard with which to compare. I have only one indirect vet purchased Marine SA cap and it's got a metal wreath rather than the officers' bullion type.
                        Erich
                        Festina lente!

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