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Any help is much appreciated!
The marked one Im confident is fine, but its the unmarked one that Im unsure of. It has all of the characteristics that the marked one has, except for the marks / back plate is a bit different. BUT the enamel is virtually perfect in every way.
As for the marked one, I know theres debate to the M1/70 examples since there havent been many if any to turn up with the matching docs, but no one can disprove them. Ive been from Warrelics to HJ research forum to WAF looking it up. As it stands right now, until there is any evidence proving otherwise, M1/70s are accepted as originals (as stated even here on WAF). If theres any new or additional info on the subject of M1/70s please let me know. But still, also would like to know if its good or not
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Both fake. I have already examined a few of both of these fakes under magnification, so your "no one can disprove them" is incorrect, i can.Originally posted by Nydigger1 View Post
(And so could you or anyone else if they wanted to.)Comment
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Can you post a link or links please? Because I spent a few hours researching these and couldnt find anything to the contrary on the marked one.Originally posted by Jo Rivett View PostComment
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Or an explanation that would help as a reference for people looking these up in the future. There are no pages across 3 forums that I could find about the numbered one being fake / no pages at all discussing the blank one. Explanation would be more helpful than just saying its fake with no info.Originally posted by Jo Rivett View Post
I think it would be good to have a breakdown of why if thats the case, thanks.Comment
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Yes i certainly can explain. WAF, however, is not the place for this, You Tube is. That way i can slap facts around heads like wet fish, put the Ghosts to bed once and forall and have google show the You Tube video at the top of a "M1/70 HJ Ehrenzeichen" search, and not hidden away on WAF.
In the meantime, you could ask Wim Van Gossum, as i said - and will say again - he just wrote a comprehensive article for a collectors magazine on the HJ Ehrenzeichen.Comment
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Hi,
Send me a pm with your e-mail adress and I send you the article about HJ Ehrenzeichen for free in a pdf-file.
Like Jo said, both are fake. Unmarked HJ Ehrenzeichen are a big red flag and the case of the M1/70 I followed for many years (even have such a bugger in my drawer). Jo Rivett examined them, there are no examples found with a bezitsurkunde and it's the only maker that is strictly numbered from 8000 to 99999. Reasons enough to draw negative conclusions...
Regards, WimFreedom is not for FreeComment
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I rather would prefer that people buy and/or subscribe to my magazine, but I have learned over the years that spending money on fakes is far more fun than education! And is also more expensive! All in all a far better package for amusement!Originally posted by Wim Vangossum View PostHi, send me a pm with your e-mail adress and I send you the article about HJ Ehrenzeichen for free in a pdf-file.
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One 9 too many Wim, only to 9639 so far. Here are some i have from these fakes.Originally posted by Wim Vangossum View PostHi,
Send me a pm with your e-mail adress and I send you the article about HJ Ehrenzeichen for free in a pdf-file.
Like Jo said, both are fake. Unmarked HJ Ehrenzeichen are a big red flag and the case of the M1/70 I followed for many years (even have such a bugger in my drawer). Jo Rivett examined them, there are no examples found with a bezitsurkunde and it's the only maker that is strictly numbered from 8000 to 99999. Reasons enough to draw negative conclusions...
Regards, Wim
8693
8696
8809
8828
8839
8966
9030
9032
9036
9037
9038
9214
9215
9291
9340
9424
9513
9527
9540
9601
9639
9687
I also know who created the fake M1/70 badges, the same forger who created the enamel center piece for the fake black TeNo Award. Note the broke back mountain number 4. Both dies were also created the same, modern robot cut.
edit: I just had to update this post with an additional ten numbers after doing a simple search on this forum, by typing in: M1/70.
Seems the SOS is the shifting ground for these... or was.
Last edited by Jo Rivett; 03-11-2017, 03:18 PM.Comment
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Found another to add, offered today on Weitze`s web site.
........about Weitze - when it comes to small badges in general, they have no idea at all what they are doing. They list fake after fake, year-in, year-out, as the following pathetic modern fake HJ Ehrenzeichen listed by them shows. (LINK)
5079 (different modern version)
8693
8696 (Charlie Snyder)
8809
8828
8839
8955
8986
8966
9030 (Ulrich Of England)
9032
9036
9037
9038
9105
9207 (Charlie Snyder)
9214 (Owned by WAF member Gary Symonds)
9215
9253 (Owned by WAF member Burgerhaus)
9291 (Jessen`s Relics)
9321 (Militaria Relics)
9340 (Shown by WAF member MIN)
9389 (owned by a WRF member)
9424
9500
9513
9527
9536 (Weitze)
9540
9601
9623
9624
9639
9662
9687Last edited by Jo Rivett; 04-12-2017, 05:09 AM.Comment
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Thanks Jo and Wim!
Best, PeterComment
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Jo provide us the name of the M1/70 faker and his email or business address.Originally posted by Jo Rivett View PostOne 9 too many Wim, only to 9639 so far. Here are some i have from these fakes.
8693
8696
8809
8828
8839
8966
9030
9032
9036
9037
9038
9214
9215
9291
9340
9424
9513
9527
9540
9601
9639
9687
I also know who created the fake M1/70 badges, the same forger who created the enamel center piece for the fake black TeNo Award. Note the broke back mountain number 4. Both dies were also created the same, modern robot cut.
edit: I just had to update this post with an additional ten numbers after doing a simple search on this forum, by typing in: M1/70.
Seems the SOS is the shifting ground for these... or was.
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Jo, the name of the M1/70 faker, is requested again, and his email and business address, please.
I do want to contact him.
Please advise!Comment
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